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memories of px 8th Feb 2017 18:30

FI Test, Partial Pass?
 
I was just wondering if its possible to do the FI test in more than one go, ie take a partial fail, if there is such a thing, rather than do the whole thing in one go i'd like to do the flight test, then study a bit more for the ground grilling?, possible?

portsharbourflyer 8th Feb 2017 18:48

No, the solution is to study up on the ground material before you start the FI course, so while you complete the course you have the foundation knowledge in place.

While I found the FI course to be the hardest course out of the CPL, MEP, and ME IR, it was probably the most relaxed test of the lot.

memories of px 8th Feb 2017 19:05

Thanks for that, just that i noticed In the standards document 10 it says a partial pass is passing the flying or the ground stuff, but a fail in both sections is a total fail.
there is reference to going into a second day, and that all sections must be completed in 6 months!, page 8 or 9 of 58 i think. Any one with any clarity on this please

memories of px 8th Feb 2017 19:26

thanks for that, did you find that they asked the questions word for word as they appear in the
question banks 250 questions in appendix 5? starts at page 41 of 58

Whopity 8th Feb 2017 19:47

The test comprises 5 sections according to the Regulation however the CAA test profile still comprises 7 sections as it was never aligned with EASA.
In order to take the Assessment of Competence you need a sign off from the CFI, you will not get that if you are not ready.
AMC1 FCL935 states:

All relevant exercises should be completed within a period of 6 months. However, all exercises should, where possible, be completed on the same day. In principle, failure in any exercise requires a retest covering all exercises, with the exception of those that may be retaken separately. The examiner may terminate the assessment at any stage if they consider that a retest is required.
A partial pass wiil be awarded at the discretion of the Examiner relating to one item that was unsatisfactory. A failure of the theoretical knowledge, or multiple items would constitute a full failure.
A test might also be incomplete and the 6 month window allows sufficient time to complete it.

memories of px 8th Feb 2017 20:20

Thank you for all the great information, its been 18 years since i last did a renewal with Ron Campbell himself, a lots changed! i think that a failure of the TK oral and long briefing only is a partial, item 10.2 on page 16

Whopity 11th Feb 2017 09:05

Stds Doc 10 is of course a UK guidance document. If you follow the Swiss EASA guide, if a candidate failed the ground aural, you would stop there and not go flying.

memories of px 16th Feb 2017 14:25

According to the examiners handbook, it would appear that the day STARTS with a pre flight brief and the skill test, followed by the long briefing and TK knowledge quiz as per this extract from the manual below, is this not the order of the days events?



Long Briefing (Lecture) and Theoretical Knowledge Questions
On completion of the flight phase I will ask you to deliver the prepared long briefing/lecture. Following that there will be a period of ground questioning. I will ask you some student questions on subjects chosen from the theoretical knowledge subjects etc etc.

S-Works 25th Feb 2017 11:13

Its not a difficult test. If you use a reputable school that prepares you properly it will be no different from any of the other sessions you have done during training. The test is a verification of your training not anything new.

I cant remember the last time we had a candidate fail.

Whopity 25th Feb 2017 12:35


is this not the order of the days events?
Quite often the weather and aircraft availability will be factors in the order of the day. Most examiners will be flexible and arrange the day to match all of the variables. In some States, the prescribed order shows no flexibility and indicates that those proposing it have never had any practical involvement in the process.


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