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maximus610 21st Aug 2016 19:45

Integrated SPIC
 
Hi guys, assuming I'm a FI with a valid IR(not IRI yet) and flying a student during his integrated course for his 20 instrument SPIC hours. Can I log this hours as IFR PIC knowing that I'm a kind of observer and do not deliver any instruction during this flights?

Whopity 22nd Aug 2016 06:41

As SPIC can only be flown at an Integrated School then the answer will, or should be in your Operations Manual!

The regulation states:

‘Student pilot-in-command’ (SPIC) means a student pilot acting as pilot-in-command on a flight with an instructor where the latter will only observe the student pilot and shall not influence or control the flight of the aircraft.
If you are not qualified to teach Instrument Flying, then you are not qualified to observe a student!

maximus610 22nd Aug 2016 06:53

Whopity, where it says that the FI shall be also an IRI?

As long as I'm only observing the student and not teaching anything and don't even influence/control the flight of the a/c, logically it should be enough to be a FI with a valid IR only.

Duchess_Driver 22nd Aug 2016 08:50

Certainly SPIC flights occur in our Phase 3 and our Training Manual for the course states SPIC shall only be flown with an FI with IRI.

Check your Ops/Trg manuals as Whopity says

Whopity 22nd Aug 2016 14:54


Whopity, where it says that the FI shall be also an IRI?
Hopefully, in your approved Manual!

mavisbacon 28th Aug 2016 09:28

The FI is an observer, but if the need arises he is required to take control and the flight becomes a Dual flight (never happened to my knowledge) at which point 'You are IRI qualified right?'..................:ooh:

Reverserbucket 30th Aug 2016 11:44


(never happened to my knowledge)
Well...not such that it appeared in the logbook as such eh Mavis?

mavisbacon 30th Aug 2016 13:29

Agreed, I you're wondering how to spell spic look in the dictionary under D. LOL!:p


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