whoa whoa whoa!
Slow it down young man.

There's a really thin line between disrespect and racism, I just wanted to give a heads up before someone crosses it.

And that kind of ideas are usually a byproduct of a small mentality.

Nothing racist and referring to a group of people as lazy. Did I touch a raw nerve?
:p

In my experience it is very difficult to motivate the vast majority of the Spanish to do anything. They are a culture that is resistant to change and inflexible. The laziness is evident everywhere.

I will however temper that comment with the fact that we employ a number of Spanish pilots who are quite the opposite, hard working loyal and reliable. But my experience over the years in Spain is of the former.... ;)

And I will have you know my mentality is a colossus..... :p:p:p

No raw nerves touched, it's just that it's boring to hear and read the same old anthem. Very much like black people don't like it when they hear "niggers are lazy" :eek: it's equally unpleasant to hear/read "Spaniards are congenitally lazy".

Says someone that comes from a country reluctant to use the metric system and have the driving wheel in the right hand side. :E :}

FI IRI pay
 

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell us how much FI IRI get paid at FTE? It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Regards,

Some would say our reluctance for change is more a sign of caution. Probably the reason why our country did not need billions in bailouts from our neighbours after having spent billions of EU funding on wasted projects...... :p:p:p

I would also caution you against the use of the 'N' word, a very politically incorrect term to use to argue your point.....

Depends
 

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How much is paid very much depends on the outcome of 'talks' between Senior Management and the current group of FIs.


Believe if Senior Management win about a third less than present. Although there would be a productivity addition.


I am at a loss as to why this Senior management think these FI s are not working hard enough given the problems the FIs have faced just to get job done over last several years.This is despite no facilitation from the Senior managers.


BTW FTE are still looking for FIs but are not taking them out to Jerez for interview at present. Wonder why?


Should be very interesting around end of May....

FI IRI Pay
 

It's all about to change (for the worse)

Its the same anthem because it's true amongst the majority. You can scream political correctness all you like but compared to the average they are idle lazy any any other word you like when compared to the average worker In europe what ever thier colour or lingo they speak.

Its not being racist it's just a matter of fact.

Well, I've worked in Spain before, including for FTE, and I'd dispute that they're lazy. They've got a different attitude, it's true, but they're not bone idle.
One adjusts to the climate.
Now, if you were to talk about Africa, I wouldn't put up much of an argument. :}

FI IRI pay
 

Is it over €30000/year or less?

Post deleted - request from a friend.

By the way,
Some of the Spanish are honest and hard working some are corrupt and lazy
thieves. Any different to Uk?

Sounds like FTE Jerez is the Europe's version of FlyEASA...

nah its not like that at all.

They were originally set up by people that knew aviation and what they were doing.

After a change to the company philosophy they pulled out as much as they could from the civilian market.

Then on paper the training market looked pretty lucrative when they got rid of it. Now I suspect short term accountancy has left them with a legacy which may or may not prove to be fatal with the historic and current situation.

Flyeasa was a completely different kettle of fish. It was set up by a character who ran it the way he wanted when he had the ability to run it a different way and still make a tidy profit.

There is a huge over capacity in the training market. How the market evolves nobody knows. But it will be the consumers that will suffer at some point as they have in the past numerous times before.

Fact is getting a 5% return on your investment in aviation is good normally its 1-2% this is not the numbers that a capital investment company likes to hear.

The only people who make real money on an airport is the fuel suppliers. And that is usually a closed market for that very reason.

After BAE Systems pulled out the company was taken over by a couple of Australians who knew the flying business and a Spanish accountant. The drive and personality of the two Aussies made FTE a happy place to work despite the uncertainties of the recession. Unfortunately both for the company and the staff, the two guys decided to retire after about five or six years and the accountant became CEO. Not entirely surprisingly he knew nothing about the flying business (still doesn't) and his every move is based purely on commercial grounds. OK, so that is what he is there to do, but in so doing, and the way he has done it, he has destroyed morale at all levels and ripped the heart out of what was once a great place to work.


At a time when instructors are being asked, (make that told) to take a pay cut there are several projects that have happened around the campus over the last year or so which are purely of a cosmetic nature and often not to everybody's taste. It is galling to the revenue earners to see a senior manager drive a large four wheel drive vehicle the 200 or so yards from his office to the canteen, especially when it is a company car and petrol is paid for by the company.


I wish the new HoT luck (he will need it because the CEO only wants "yes" men) and the last full time HoT resigned because he was not listened to or allowed to get on with things. As earnest1 so rightly says, the CFI is inefficient and wants to please all of the people all of the time with the result that there are some instructors who are allowed to get away with effectively working on their own terms. The Deputy CFI has quit (he resigned some while ago due to not getting any backing but was persuaded to continue in post).


All in all, a sad drop from grace for what was once one of the top FTOs. They are recruiting flying staff but this may well be a hedge for when a number of the present instructors decide to leave. If any applicants are reading this forum I would certainly suggest that they take earnest1's advice about being wary of this operation.

they really are screwed if that is the case that a none flying Accountant is calling the shots.

They will just end up spending thousands to save 10 euro's

Oh dear......there is another school on the south coast of England that is run by a non pilot accountant. It will be interesting to see in a few months/years whether they are still there.

The AOG stores will be run down to unworkable levels.

The gingers will get an over time ban.

Most mornings will be lost to getting previous days snags fixed by robbing from tech aircraft so the fleet will always have aircraft off line.

Scheduled maint will be delayed and outside predicted time scales due to the gingers being on the ramp all morning trying to get something into the air.

this will mean there will be more aircraft lost as well as the Christmas tree spares aircraft.

The bill for getting them running will run into 100's of thousands. So will be delayed. The aircraft will start to rot which will just cost even more money to fix.

The instructors will be sitting on their backsides most mornings due to tech aircraft and fighting over the working ones.

On paper there productivity will be shot to hell. But their will be bugger all they can do about it.

And the account will refuse to understand that it takes 3 times as much work and cost to rob a spare from an aircraft than it does to use a new part straight from stores.

Sad but true MJ and B61

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" they really are screwed if that is the case that a none flying Accountant is calling the shots.

They will just end up spending thousands to save 10 euro's "


That is the CEO at FTE for you and they are!


It is never his fault that the FI cannot get job done .....eg


1)Set up ATC school ....local ATC now very unhelpful !
2) Reduce number of engineer & over time .........less available aircraft
3) Reduce number of FNPT2s......
4) Reduce number of twins ......
5) Long delays for aircraft / slots ...
6) etc
So people are left waiting around so ages.. But he just believes the FIs are not working hard enough! Or is he just trying another cost cutting exercise


There is only one GI left from 4years ago every one left since new CEO arrived
Now on third permanent H of T since new CEO


It was a great place to train and work but now :mad:


Result of Management consultation is due very soon , so C310 the answer to your question will be known then.