Srg1119a-e have gone.
 

Now we have srg1157 for everything. One page with the examiner's record on the back. Did my first renewal on one today, works great! Congratulations to Adam Whitehead and all the team for standing up to bureaucracy.

Lets be fair, the CAA invented the forms in preference to using the simple ones produced by EASA. Clearly, there is little or no internal consultation these days or they wouldn't have finished up in such a mess.

They are still on the website!

This is getting ridiculous. Is there no-one at the CAA keeping an eye on the rain forest of paper these chimps are producing?

Will the FEH now be re-issued, with clear, correct and unambiguous guidance for examiners?

And what is this ridiculous 'course completion certificate'? Either an applicant passes or he/she doesn't - what purpose is served by yet more administrivial nonsense such as this?

How much of this garbage is actually required under part-FCL - and how much is additional CAA gold plating to conceal the fundamental inadequacy of their own IT systems?

Very little. There are 3 Forms on pages 294-299; 392-395 and 559-561 of the AMC that cover everything.

Dragged down by European shite
 

I feel I am missing something. As an examiner I should be keeping abreast of these developments - CAP804 updates, examiner from changes etc. - however despite signing up to email updates etc, and keeping L&TS updated with my contact details, I am finding out about this on Pprune.
I knew EASA would be ****e but I really had no idea. How can anybody be expected to have any confidence in this system? This is serious stuff we're talking about here - UK aviation being brought down by European......f**king criminal incompetence.

Have you completed the UK Examiners on-line briefing, another well kept secret? Nicely presented using all the latest technology, but still lacking adequate information on many of the changes that have occurred.

To help you find it, it is located under the Heading Briefing of Non-UK Examiners ! It is just another box ticking exercise which illustrates further abdication of responsibility.

Whopity, has the absurdly disproprtionate IN-2012/156 procedure for 'designation of Examiners' to conduct PPL tests been officially challenged yet?

Most of the information is already held on CAA databases, the rest is supplied on the Skill Test Report Form. Why on earth do they need yet another pointless piece of paper?

I trust that everyone is/will be notifying Flight Crew Standards if they intend to use an aircraft (rather than a FFS or OTD) for Class or Type Rating Skill Tests or FI pre-course proficiency checks on UK-issued EASA licence holders, in accordance with IN-2012/155.

Until I am told about all this crap officially by the CAA it is just that - crap - and I feel should be treated as such. What is the point of doing anything about it if is changing day by day anyway? I am dumbfounded by the incredibly poor administration going on just now and am rapidly losing what confidence I have left in the CAA. Whatever the reasons behind this fiasco it should never reach the public domain in this state of disorganisation.
We are planning to have a meeting of all the PPL examiners in the local area, and will then approach the CAA with our serious concerns and misgivings.

DB6, if your group are AOPA corporate members, or LAA members, please ensure that you keep the respective association in copy.

This is unbelievable you couldn't dream this stuff up.

But joking aside it seriously worries me that the powers that be can be so detached from the industry - not that there will be much left at the rate they are going.

Whopity could you give me the link to

There are 3 Forms on pages 294-299; 392-395 and 559-561 of the AMC that cover everything

It would be nice to get an idea of how much this is CAA gold plating or to what extent has it been forced onto them by EASA

SRG\1157 is no longer on "the list".

No, but SRG 1157 is. Couldn't make it up... The new form is better in all fairness, just rather busy.

Mickey
Link to AMC here Another useful link to AMCs here

Pembroke
SRG 1157 here

IN-2012/155 here

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Whopity

Your link to IN..155 appears to point to SRG1157s.....

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts...55v1Sept12.pdf

HTH

DD

Thanks, having looked at it I love the requirement in Section 1.6 "Morring" I wonder if that's Good Morring or in the Morring!

SRG 1119
 

I am totally confused here and have been since all these new forms came out in September. Am I now right in thinking that when I conduct check for the revalidation/ renewal ( less than 3 years) of a class and/or instrument rating, the only form that now has to be sent to Gatwick is the new SRG 1157 ? I certainly hope so !

VB my understanding is that where a candidate has lapsed by even 1 day an SRG 1107 course completion certificate from an ATO (or an RTF for the time being) is also required stating that the candidates training requirement (there are some guideline requirements based on on length of expiry) has been satisfied.With that as an examiner you are OK to examine and the new SRG 1157 then does the job.Hopefully our forum licensing guru whopity will be along in a while to provide clarity.I,m planning to renew someone this week a lapsed SEP by 6 months...he is however a valid MEP and current on that.I,m hoping a local RTF will assess him pragmaticaly as valid for test after a couple of ground training sessions on SEP/MEP differences and a forced landing briefing.He,s been flying for 40 years I have no doubt in his ability to attempt and pass a SEP renewal.Needless bureaucracy and expense for GA that is already on its knees!! VBR Stampe

SRG 1119
 

Stampe, thanks for that, that is how I saw it too !
Thank God they seem to be coming to their senses with these forms.

I have seen no sign of anything sensible with the current forms. Whoever is responsible should be taken out and shot!