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However, the CAA has not yet formulated suitable requirements for future IMCr / IR(R) instructors

Hardly rocket science, the requirements have remained largely unchanged as far back as I can remember and if its good enough to train for an IR, its good enough for the IMCr. The last thing we want is another course for the FIC world.

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Dmahan, whatever you log makes no difference to instrument currency.

If you are already not instrument current (6 approaches / hold /
tracking), logging an approach and time makes no difference - you need an IPC to
get your instrument privileges back (FAR 61.57 (d))

No; you quote the right para of 14 CFR but have missed the bit in underline below

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d) Instrument proficiency check. Except as provided in paragraph (e)
of this section, a person who has failed to meet the instrument experience
requirements of paragraph (c) for more than six calendar months may
reestablish instrument currency only by completing an instrument proficiency
check

What this means is that once your currency lapses, you have 6 months in which you can regain currency flying the required approaches etc under VFR with a view-limiting device and a suitably qualified safety pilot (or under IFR with a CFII). It's only after 6 months of lapsed currency that you must take an IPC. Of course, an IPC can be used at any time to regain currency.

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Your usual bull in a china shop approach, Whopity.....

Whilst the course might be the same, the problem is that the reduced prerequisites for FIs wishing to instruct for the IMCr / IR(R) will no longer be available after 17 Sep 2012. Thus they would need to have achieved, amongst other things, at least 200 hours of flight time under IFR - no longer will the current alternative of 50 hours of IF time be acceptable. Whereas until that date, a reduced experience level of 10 hours flight time by sole reference to instruments is applicable for FIs wishing to have the 'no applied instrument' restriction removed in order to instruct for the IMCr.

This was pointed out to the CAA nearly 2 years ago, but nothing was done....

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Originally Posted by 421C

....correcting an error...

Thanks, 421C, I see it now. I now also dimly remember learning it properly when I did my FAA IR.

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Your usual bull in a china shop approach, Whopity.....

Better that than leaving little piles of dog pooh everywhere that we all have to step around!

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I am a CFI, but not instrument current. I went flying today in IMC with an instrument rated and current private pilot friend of mine. We took turns flying, any other day we would either just split the time or call it an instruction flight and both take all the time and log his time as dual given.

Be carefull now, you can only log dual given/dual received if you have actually taught something.
Going funflying with a pilot friend does not constitute "dual given".
What are you teaching him anyway if he is already PPL/IR rated?

Back to your original question:
You cannot act as PIC under IFR if you do not meet the currency requirements.
You can however log PIC as the sole manipulator of the controls.

My interpretation is that you CAN log the IMC time and you CAN log the approach under the "sole manipulator" of the controls rule but your friend cannot log that time.
My source: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...011/Walker.pdf

You may want to do some additional research yourself by searching on the applicable reg numbers such as 61.57;
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