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XX621 15th Sep 2009 11:58

Women Only Flying School
 
Hi,
Am doing the FI rating next year. Ultimately, perhaps when times are better, would like to set up my own school.

We were just chatting about this idea here at work. The idea would be for a women only flying school. Along the same lines, and for similar reasons.."Learn to fly without being oggled at" ;-)

"Sheila's Wings" maybe??

Further idea development on a postcard pls..

S-Works 15th Sep 2009 12:12

And if we had a men only flying school that would be sexist and we would have women chaining themselves to the gates moaning about men being sexist pigs........ :ugh:

betpump5 15th Sep 2009 12:32

I take it when you say "ogled at", it is because men still find it a little strange that women are pilots/learning to fly as opposed to the fact that they are attractive?

No offence to females out there but the only ones worth looking at in the industry are the ones serving me coffee.

Completely agree with bose-x by the way.

ScamArtist 15th Sep 2009 12:39

Good idea and I see your point as I currently have a female student and there is usually a crowd whistling at her as she does the pre-flight!

But of the 3000 or so hours that my school flies a year I'd say that only about 100 of those hours are flown by women, so I think you would be limiting your market quite a bit.

betpump5 15th Sep 2009 12:49

Sheila's wings! classic,

out of interest, was this a wind up post?

Student female pilots with ambitions for commercial employment may be asked some pretty strong questions as to why they saw fit to alienate themselves and why they couldn't fit in. Considering the majority of pilots they will work with in the future are men, I'm guessing they wouldn't do too well during interviews.

poss 15th Sep 2009 12:49

Even if you set up a "womens only" flight school I think you'll find that these things will still occur, if not by members of said club due to it been female only but outside on the apron, unless you want to make a womens only airport?!
I highly doubt a womens only flight school will survive very long as there still aren't that many women pilots about and surely not enough to sustain a fully functioning flying school. Out of the flying clubs i've been to I think there have been around 3 members that were women whom regularly flew... I'm pretty sure they don't get whilsted or ogled at whilst they preflight and are tret with as much respect as the male members.

betpump5 15th Sep 2009 12:52

Don't they have wings on sanitary napkins?

I'm sure I remember those adverts from ages ago where a woman is seen engaging in all usually activities (ironing, washing, cleaning) without any discomfort due to "wings".

I really should stop now. My comments belong on JB.

Mr Scoop 15th Sep 2009 12:57

I think someone may have had the idea before you

Pussy Galore’s Flying Circus — James Bond Logo Collection

Bla Bla Bla 15th Sep 2009 12:58

Pink planes with fluffy seat covers, wouldn't all the instructors get that in time PMT thing that girls get when they spend to much time together.

XX621 15th Sep 2009 14:32


Originally Posted by betpump5 (Post 5190807)
Sheila's wings! classic,
out of interest, was this a wind up post?

Not a wind-up, more of a humorous diversion on a miserable Tuesday UK sept afternoon.

ReverseFlight 16th Sep 2009 02:53

Nothing wrong with setting up a first women-only flying operation (in fact I admire your courage and determination) but when it relegates to "the first lady to fly to Greenland in a single-piloted turbocharged twin-engined aircraft under 5700 kgs during the summer under VFR rules minus GPS and routing via the Arctic Circle without refuelling", that's really bl**dy annoying. :ugh:

Sorry, I've seen too many of these quotes before.

Fart Master 18th Sep 2009 04:00

Good idea, keep all the accidents at one airfield:ok:










.......... only joking:O

IL VATE 22nd Sep 2009 21:01

......genius!!!
 
Excellent idea!!!
You MUST be a Genius!!!
And this is the best time to open a school that is fussy choosing students!!!
If you don't do that, PLEASE, let us know where you're going to work!!!
We will avoid the airspace!
I mean it!
:ugh:

'Chuffer' Dandridge 22nd Sep 2009 21:27

I know several flying clubs that have a membership entirely made up of old women. The one at Sherburn comes to mind:E

DA-10mm 25th Sep 2009 04:36

totally sexist.
lawsuit in the waiting...

trex450 25th Sep 2009 07:51

womens institute of the air, would it be WI-FLY?:D

KandiFloss 26th Sep 2009 09:52

I'll join your flying school if you pay for my hours building/MER CPL/Instructor rating and you can always throw in an IR if you like ... thanks! When do I start?! :ok::ok::ok:

BroomstickPilot 30th Sep 2009 10:41

Women only flying school
 
Hi XX621,

1. Reading your original post, I have the feeling you were hoping for a serious response, which clearly you have not received from anybody. So let me try.

2. First of all, assuming such an establishment would not infringe gender equality legislation, (which is subject to doubt,) I have serious doubts whether, either a women only flying school, or a women only flying club, would be financially viable. Women pilots make up only a tiny percentage (is it 6%?) of the total flying establishment, and women student pilots would probably constitute only the same percentage of the student pilot population.

3. If a women only formula would work anywhere, however, that place would be the London fringe, as flying establishments in these locations seem to have fared best in the current recession with mostly little shortage of students.

4. It is not really clear why you would wish to see such an establishment in operation. Is it purely a question of women being able to train without being 'oggled at'?

5. Or is it the more substantial motive of ensuring that women students do not have to cope with male instructors, a few of whom may be inclined to bully them or try to 'put them down'? (I had one like this and he cost me dear. The club didn't even notice what a prize arsehole he was until shortly before he left and had done a lot of damage).

6. Or would there be better ground training arrangements to assist women students to cope with the more technical subjects (such as engines), which most of them will have little previous experience of? (Apparently, even the RAF had to simplify the teaching of technical subjects when they introduced women pilots).

7. If your reasoning follows my comments in paras 5. and 6. above, then I would argue that there are not a few male student pilots that would also benefit from this approach, and perhaps all that is needed is a school/club that caters for both sexes but where the management is extra vigilant regarding its selection of instructing staff and the treatment of its students.

8. As a useful addition, perhaps one very experienced instructor, other than the CFI, could be appointed as student mentor to whom any student, male or female, could turn if he/she felt his/her relationship with his/her instructor was unsatisfactory.

Well that's my two penneth.

Broomstick.

betpump5 30th Sep 2009 13:25

I see this thread has raised its ugly head again.

Broomstick - nice post. BUT in reference to para 4 and previous posters:

Can some please explain this "oggling".

Is there that many female pilots out there who 1. Do have the characterstics to be "oggled at" and 2. Do they actually care.

I have 10 years in aviation. Training across the world and flying around the world. In those 10 years, I have yet to find a female pilot/trainee worth oggling at. Are they all hidden away flying Exec jets?

Nonsense thread this.

Runaway Gun 30th Sep 2009 14:14

BP5, maybe the prettier/cleverer ones see you coming, and quickly jump into different cockpits.


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