Errrr - can we not get round the problem by being a good enough pilot to avoid stalling the bl00dy thing in the first place? If not, try a career in hairdressing!

Seriously, horses for courses - each aeroplane to it's own technique and big one have stick pushers that avoid the issue (and that is the way it should be).

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having just got passed that stage in my training, I can see both points of view on this. yes a good pilot shouldn't get to the stage when a stall occurs, but in the case of an inadvertant stall (ie sudden veering or backing of crosswind while turning onto finals from base leg). then it's important that the student pilot knows what it feels like when the plane has stalled and how to correct it with minimal loss in height.

I did have the same problems when I first did a stall with a wing drop, I found it a more or less automatic reaction to try and correct with the ailerons. After scaring myself sh*tless with that, it's now burnt into my memory to never *EVER* do that again :-)

So now I've reached the part in my training where I have to learn to dump the plane on the ground..ermm I mean to land her as smoothly as possible :-)

Derek

Could anybody give me some tip on the best way to improve (claryfying) the stallbehaviour of the C172. My problem is that for the sake of the students the stall is almost invisible, I would like to have a more clear nosedrop and furthermore a vingdrop just to train the recover of both these things.

PKN..

As discussed above I trainedin a Tomahawk...the aircraft designed by instructors for students. yes a low wing , so it will do the things you are teaching your students to prevent.
I jumped out of the PA38 into a Cessna 152 and the bloody thing would not stall.

It took no power, full stick back and pushing my abdomen into my spine and lots of patience before a stall...then it just hung there...nose down and slowly increase power..1...2....3.and recover.

Hope this helps as you shouldn't even try to stall these a/c. :)

While we are talking about stalls I have a quick question. How come under the JAA PPL the power on stall is not part of the syllabus? It is part of the FAA PPL syllabus.
It is a possible to get into a situation where you could be nose high trim and you are asked to go around (practicing PFL's and trimmed for glide!) and possibly stall the plane.
Any comments?