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Old 15th May 2024, 14:01
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I've just watched an Electricity helicopter overflying my property repeatedly at around 50 feet. Perfectly safe and legal, I'm sure, but it does make me wonder why I can't teach EFATO to my students in a realistic manner.
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Not EFATO, but consider doing an engine failure exercise from altitude at your home airport. Not fully realistic for a cross country or EFATO I know, but very early in my CPL training in New Zealand my instructor briefed me and the control tower while on the ground that we would be doing a dead stick approach from 3,500’ following an overhead join. We went out, did our thing in the practice area, came back and overhead the field he pulled the mixture. Entirely safe, the controller gave us the zone, and it built the confidence that I could land with the engine out. Looking back, I wish I had been provided this opportunity during my PPL and not so late as 140 or 150 hours.

In so far as a lesson is concerned, set it up so there is a good briefing, go do your thing in the air, and then at the end have your student talk about how they can apply what they learned to a takeoff. Discuss how quickly they’ll have to set the plane into a glide attitude and airspeed, how to quickly identify a location to land, and how to put it down safely now that they’ve done it for real.

However in the current landscape, you’ll likely need the approval of the chief pilot and the insurance company, both of whom might put an end to the thought before it begins. Nevertheless, I found it a highly beneficial experience.
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Originally Posted by BristolScout
I've just watched an Electricity helicopter overflying my property repeatedly at around 50 feet. Perfectly safe and legal, I'm sure, but it does make me wonder why I can't teach EFATO to my students in a realistic manner.
why can’t you teach your students EFATO in a realistic manner?
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How realistic do you want to be? In the Hueys, we would do a normal takeoff, then at 60kt and 100' roll off the throttle for a touchdown auto. Piece of cake.

However, having done years of powerline inspections, I knew that it would be a mess at the ground, because of the hills, valleys, rough ground, minimal tree clearance, and the startle factor. Dropping from 50' and 30kt would not be ideal conditions.
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Sorry for not being clear. I'm talking fixed-wing EFATO.
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Originally Posted by BristolScout
I've just watched an Electricity helicopter overflying my property repeatedly at around 50 feet. Perfectly safe and legal, I'm sure, but it does make me wonder why I can't teach EFATO to my students in a realistic manner.
The helicopter is probably twin engined….
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We're not allowed EFATO at our airfield and for very good reasons. So we always do them in the climb out from a PFL
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I'm not allowed to teach circuits at my home (flying club) airfield - as I do instructing there within syndicates and most of the time circuits are restricted to the based flying school only.

So I go to one of several other airfields, where I can, whether the one where I'm paid to instruct at an ATO, or another one.

Generally, the same would be true of EFATOs.

It wasn't all that hard a problem to solve.

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