Flight instructor accused of aviation manslaughter flying for maltaair
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Flight instructor accused of aviation manslaughter flying for maltaair
25 may 2020 Urbe airport LIRU
A student dies in a flight training mission with his flight instructor who survived . The student was attending Urbeaereo flight school to obtain his ATPL frozen.
The flight instructor has been
Accused of manslaughter, but he’s still flying with Maltaair as first officer,
the final investigation is out in Italian in the ansv web page. Ansv his the
Italian aviation investigation organization , the aircraft
is I-DADL. What you think about it?.Do you think the flight instructor should be suspended until the final sentence of the court? In Italy the final sentence could take years.
A student dies in a flight training mission with his flight instructor who survived . The student was attending Urbeaereo flight school to obtain his ATPL frozen.
The flight instructor has been
Accused of manslaughter, but he’s still flying with Maltaair as first officer,
the final investigation is out in Italian in the ansv web page. Ansv his the
Italian aviation investigation organization , the aircraft
is I-DADL. What you think about it?.Do you think the flight instructor should be suspended until the final sentence of the court? In Italy the final sentence could take years.
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Already discussed at length here: Urbeaereo incidente mortale Daniele maggio 2020 aggiornamenti
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Already discussed at length here: Urbeaereo incidente mortale Daniele maggio 2020 aggiornamenti
I’m sorry but we are talking same thing else here.
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https://ansv.it/wp-content/uploads/2...one-I-DADL.pdf
https://ansv.it/wp-content/uploads/2...one-I-DADL.pdf
I understand your concern
what about he has another accident , or minor incident , ( I hope not of course) , and then he’s guilty ? Would you risk?
I’m sorry is in Italian but with google you can traslate
this topics talks about flight instructor training,
Specifically , the lack of training spin
with full power on.
Dal rapporto d'inchiesta si deduce che l'aereo sarebbe stallato ( dati sulla velocità forniti dal transponder mode Y) e successivamente finito in vite incipiente a sinistra trascinato dalla coppia del motore al massimo dei giri (Elica destrosa). Il mancato funzionamento di uno dei magneti riduce i giri motore di 100 Rpm in media. L'impatto è avvenuto dalla parte sinistra dove siedeva l'allievo. Il LOC (Loss of Control) con esattamente lo stesso copione -stallo seguito da vite incipiente sempre a sinistra- è responsabile della maggior parte degli incidenti UPRT LOC. Sicuramente sarebbe auspicabile un maggior addestramento nelle fasi di volo lento, secondo regime, e viti, che indubbiamente è carente.
https://ansv.it/wp-content/uploads/2...one-I-DADL.pdf
I understand your concern
what about he has another accident , or minor incident , ( I hope not of course) , and then he’s guilty ? Would you risk?
I’m sorry is in Italian but with google you can traslate
this topics talks about flight instructor training,
Specifically , the lack of training spin
with full power on.
Dal rapporto d'inchiesta si deduce che l'aereo sarebbe stallato ( dati sulla velocità forniti dal transponder mode Y) e successivamente finito in vite incipiente a sinistra trascinato dalla coppia del motore al massimo dei giri (Elica destrosa). Il mancato funzionamento di uno dei magneti riduce i giri motore di 100 Rpm in media. L'impatto è avvenuto dalla parte sinistra dove siedeva l'allievo. Il LOC (Loss of Control) con esattamente lo stesso copione -stallo seguito da vite incipiente sempre a sinistra- è responsabile della maggior parte degli incidenti UPRT LOC. Sicuramente sarebbe auspicabile un maggior addestramento nelle fasi di volo lento, secondo regime, e viti, che indubbiamente è carente.
Italy seems to like prosecuting pilots for making small mistakes in emergency situations. We are all human and prosecuting a pilot for forgetting to feather a propeller during a glide or for picking a field with rocks in it for a forced landing isn't going to make aviation any safer...
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Italy seems to like prosecuting pilots for making small mistakes in emergency situations. We are all human and prosecuting a pilot for forgetting to feather a propeller during a glide or for picking a field with rocks in it for a forced landing isn't going to make aviation any safer...
have you read the accusation?
manslaughter!!
a young man died!!
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Have you read the investigation fully?
I don’t think so.
The point is , as airline is this risk acceptable ?
I don’t know.
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https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/236372
Makes more sense what happened.
Having 100hp engine does you no favours when it's down on power.
Flap lever looks ok, but lights to show position could be missed in bright sunlight.
I think i would be in habit of looking over shoulder to check position.
Happened to me in a Cessna152, flap selector in correct position on touch and go but flaps didn't go up.
Fortunately it climbed 200 fpm on full flap, something i always practise pre solo with students.
Also good practise to fly full flap climb circuit to simulate power loss from a cracked engine cylinder.
Makes more sense what happened.
Having 100hp engine does you no favours when it's down on power.
Flap lever looks ok, but lights to show position could be missed in bright sunlight.
I think i would be in habit of looking over shoulder to check position.
Happened to me in a Cessna152, flap selector in correct position on touch and go but flaps didn't go up.
Fortunately it climbed 200 fpm on full flap, something i always practise pre solo with students.
Also good practise to fly full flap climb circuit to simulate power loss from a cracked engine cylinder.
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Cannot comment what happened in the flight deck; Although the aircraft was witnessed arriving fast, bouncing a few times, then pointing nose up,hanging there, speed decaying with no corrective action to push nose down. Speed variations, including the low's responsible for the stall spin, have been recorded and made available to the inquiry thanks to mode y transponder.
It unfolded in a LOC full power stall incipient spin dragged to the left due to engine torque. Student was on the side which impacted the water. Running on one magneto should not be a major factor, with a loss of roughly 100 RPM out of 2350. Flaps? they did increase drag, DA 20 with proper nose attitude is still capable to maintain a very marginal positive rate of climb at full power with flaps down at 80 KT IAS. Thanks BigEndBob for mentionning this
There is a patch of flat grass ground on the right side 34 runway extension centerline a 150 meters ahead just before the tiber river at LIRU. But there was no attempt made for a controlled crash landing by lowering the nose.
LOC /stall/spin is responsible for frustratingly constant carnage in general aviation. Perhaps some specific training would help. For sure relegating the issue to refer to the SOP's is of not much use.
RIP.
It unfolded in a LOC full power stall incipient spin dragged to the left due to engine torque. Student was on the side which impacted the water. Running on one magneto should not be a major factor, with a loss of roughly 100 RPM out of 2350. Flaps? they did increase drag, DA 20 with proper nose attitude is still capable to maintain a very marginal positive rate of climb at full power with flaps down at 80 KT IAS. Thanks BigEndBob for mentionning this
There is a patch of flat grass ground on the right side 34 runway extension centerline a 150 meters ahead just before the tiber river at LIRU. But there was no attempt made for a controlled crash landing by lowering the nose.
LOC /stall/spin is responsible for frustratingly constant carnage in general aviation. Perhaps some specific training would help. For sure relegating the issue to refer to the SOP's is of not much use.
RIP.
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Cannot comment what happened in the flight deck; Although the aircraft was witnessed arriving fast, bouncing a few times, then pointing nose up,hanging there, speed decaying with no corrective action to push nose down. Speed variations, including the low's responsible for the stall spin, have been recorded and made available to the inquiry thanks to mode y transponder.
It unfolded in a LOC full power stall incipient spin dragged to the left due to engine torque. Student was on the side which impacted the water. Running on one magneto should not be a major factor, with a loss of roughly 100 RPM out of 2350. Flaps? they did increase drag, DA 20 with proper nose attitude is still capable to maintain a very marginal positive rate of climb at full power with flaps down at 80 KT IAS. Thanks BigEndBob for mentionning this
There is a patch of flat grass ground on the right side 34 runway extension centerline a 150 meters ahead just before the tiber river at LIRU. But there was no attempt made for a controlled crash landing by lowering the nose.
LOC /stall/spin is responsible for frustratingly constant carnage in general aviation. Perhaps some specific training would help. For sure relegating the issue to refer to the SOP's is of not much use.
RIP.
It unfolded in a LOC full power stall incipient spin dragged to the left due to engine torque. Student was on the side which impacted the water. Running on one magneto should not be a major factor, with a loss of roughly 100 RPM out of 2350. Flaps? they did increase drag, DA 20 with proper nose attitude is still capable to maintain a very marginal positive rate of climb at full power with flaps down at 80 KT IAS. Thanks BigEndBob for mentionning this
There is a patch of flat grass ground on the right side 34 runway extension centerline a 150 meters ahead just before the tiber river at LIRU. But there was no attempt made for a controlled crash landing by lowering the nose.
LOC /stall/spin is responsible for frustratingly constant carnage in general aviation. Perhaps some specific training would help. For sure relegating the issue to refer to the SOP's is of not much use.
RIP.
