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Supervision of solo student

Old 15th Jul 2021, 15:10
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Supervision of solo student

Conducting the supervision of a solo flight at an uncontrolled aerodrome. Blind calls being made to Traffic and sporadic and intermittent calls from an Air/Ground radio operator.

Student was thoroughly briefed by the instructor to return to a designated area on the airfield after the flight. Upon landing, the AGCS operator instructed (in the style of an ATC unit) the solo student to do something different to that which was briefed for a “political” (not flight safety) reason, parking at the other end of the airfield.

Instructor (who was using a handheld) instructed the student solo to continue as briefed and return to planned parking area.

Who was right? Or… who was least wrong? Does the instructor retain responsibility for the students’ actions and can therefore countermand any advice given by AGCS?

CAP452 states: “Personnel providing an AGCS shall ensure that they do not pass a message which could be construed to be either an air traffic control (ATC) instruction or an instruction issued by Flight Information Service Officers (FISOs) for specific situations.”
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 17:07
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An A/G operator cannot and should not pass any instructions to a pilot. They are permitted to relay a 'clearance' that has been issued by a ATC unit. It is therefore, in my view, to be reasonable that they may forward a message, as instructed, by the supervising Flight Instructor, who has the particular responsibility for the students solo flight.

An A/G operator is not required to monitor the movements on the ground nor of the ATZ/circuit, even at a licenced aerodrome. Any instruction or 'advice' given by a A/G operator cannot be relied on to be safe. It is not required of an A/G service for it to be manned/monitored by anyone at all.

It will be worth the time to check whether the particular A/G operator is licenced to operate the ground station. An aircraft radio telephony operators licence does not provide for this.

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Old 15th Jul 2021, 19:18
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Neíther was right. The ACGS cannot give instructions and the instructor has no right to use a handheld to communicate with aircraft.
An interesting question regarding the ACGS operator, does he have a operator's certificate endorsed by the licence holder of the radio, who is ultimately responsible for the operator.
What licence does the instructor have to use a handheld radio to communicate with aircraft?
I have always made a point when sending students solo to observe from wherever the ACGS, AFIS or ATC is located if possible.
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