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ORS4 No.1453

Old 23rd Dec 2020, 22:55
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ORS4 No.1453

ORS4 1453 issued by the CAA today exempts pilots who held a UK-issued Part-FCL licence and who have subsequently transfer-SOLId to another EASA member state from the requirement to hold a UK licence and medical when operating G-reg aircraft in the UK. To take effect, a 'Validation Document' must be downloaded from the CAA website, completed and held with the new licence when flying.

I've transferred to the IAA and I received an email from them today telling me that my new EASA licence is ready to be despatched. Before the IAA can do this however, I first have to return my current UK licence and medical to them, in effect exchanging my old licence and medical for EASA new ones. Given the Christmas holidays, the fact that the IAA offices are currently closed and the inevitable postal delays, I (and presumably other pilots in similar positions) are effectively going to be 'unlicenced' for a period of time, likely to be anything up to a fortnight depending on how quickly licence exchanges can be turned around and despatched.

FCL.045 (and UK-equivalent post December 31st) requires a pilot to physically hold a licence to exercise its privileges and those of associated ratings, certificates etc. In a nutshell, does this leave me not being able to fly (and earn a living as an FI) until such time as my new IAA-issued Part-FCL licence arrives? I've asked around off here and views are split. The ORS4 issued today seems clear enough that to operate G-reg aircraft, a licence and validation document 'must be held'.

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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 23:13
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I was in the same situation 2 years ago, I made a good copy of the U.K. one and carried on flying until the IAA one arrived. For me this was good enough as anyone could clearly see that I “held” a U.K. licence until the new one arrived.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 00:14
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I think you have answered your own question. You must be in posession of a licence in order to exercise the privileges, a copy is of no use whatsoever. Your new licence will not be valid until you have signed it. I suggest you wait until the holiday is over then courier the old licence back so that you can minimise the time when you don't have a valid licence.
In any event the exemption only applies to licences if issued between 1 January 2021 and 31 March 2021, so you don't want the IAA licence to turn up in December.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 07:09
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Thanks Whopity.

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Old 24th Dec 2020, 09:29
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Don't forget original licence must also be carried on every flight, not just held, along with I.D.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 15:38
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Don't forget original licence must also be carried on every flight, not just held, along with I.D.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Whopity View Post
I think you have answered your own question. You must be in posession of a licence in order to exercise the privileges, a copy is of no use whatsoever. Your new licence will not be valid until you have signed it. I suggest you wait until the holiday is over then courier the old licence back so that you can minimise the time when you don't have a valid licence.
In any event the exemption only applies to licences if issued between 1 January 2021 and 31 March 2021, so you don't want the IAA licence to turn up in December.
CAP2017 is the general validation for EASA licences issues before the end of 2020, they will be allowed to fly G-Reg outside of the UK for 2 years. ORS4 1543 only allows those licences that were SOLi'd and issued between Jan and Mar 2021 to fly to the end of 2021. So if you can get it issued before the end of the year could be better, although unlikely that will happen.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:35
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ORSA 1543 Licenses issued between 1 January 2021 and 31 March 2021

However for licenses issued prior to 1st January 2021, the following applies:

EU-ISSUED PART-FCL COMMERCIAL PILOT LICENCES

UPDATE: Would I be able to continue operating UK-registered aircraft?

Yes. However, after the UK’s membership of the EASA system ceases at the end of the transition period, to continue operating UK-registered aircraft you will require a validation from the UK CAA. This is now available for download on the ’Downloads’ tab of this microsite. It is be subject to conditions and is valid for two years under UK law.

So if your Irish EASA licence is issued before the end of the year but awaiting postage for the reason given then your covered as above.
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