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Old 30th Mar 2021, 07:09
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Why not just apply, including your last LPC in your application.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 09:10
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
Why not just apply, including your last LPC in your application.
My LPC is not due for some time, and I believe a lot of examiners are confused in relation to cross crediting.

Some say an examiner needs to be licensed in a SEP/MEP category in order to cross credit, but this actually isnt an EASA rule but individual aviation agency.

So hard to tell. For me this would be an easier option as it would save money and time.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 09:11
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As rudestuff says, you can cross credit your MPA IR for the renewal of a SE IR in accordance with FCL Annex 1 Appendix 8. You must have held a single pilot IR previously (this excludes MPL holders). You can fly the procedures with an FI/IRI if you don't hold a rating allowing flight under IFR, eg. an IMC/IR(R).

When you've met the requirements, find an IRE or CRE/IRR to complete the renewal paperwork and post to the NAA for issue.

Provided that within the preceding 12 months the applicants have flown at least three IFR departures and approaches exercising PBN privileges, including at least one RNP APCH approach on an SP class or type of aeroplane in SP operations.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 10:51
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If this is revalidation, and all criteria have been already been met, can a TRE sign the paperwork and license?

It would make sense to get both signed at the same time: MPA/IR & SPA/IR.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 11:28
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Double check with your NAA, I believe the UK CAA don't allow it (unless the TRE is also an IRE or CRE/IRR).
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 07:51
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Why do you need an IRI to accompany you for the 3x approaches. Won’t a suitably qualified safety pilot suffice if you’re doing them in VMC, albeit under IFR?
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You need to log at least three IFR departures and approaches exercising PBN privileges, including at least one RNP approach.

If your Instrument Rating has expired (as the OP's had), you can't log IFR time unless you hold another rating allowing IFR flight (eg. IMC/IRR) or fly dual with an instructor.
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 13:33
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Discussion point: How do you log the IFR flight time required for cross credit, with an expired IR, without an instructor onboard or an IMC/IRR?

As I understand it we're not talking about revalidation where this could be completed without an IRI. In that instance, you're already able to exercise IR privileges so you're starting from a different place..
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 14:12
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Just spoken to an UK CAA SE who has stated that the IRI requirement is mandatory, even though I can’t see it written anywhere. I have a current IR, it's a multi-crew one though.

Also, I’ve just realised that I’ve never previously held a SE SP IR, I did my initial IR on a Cessna 310, so I was issued a ME SP IR, and then went to Multi-Crew IR.

I’ve got valid SEP Land on my licence now, can I still do the 3x approaches and get SE SP IR on my licence, off the back of my ME SP IR?

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Old 27th Aug 2021, 14:35
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It's down to the fact that you can't log the required IFR time for cross credit because you don't have a valid rating allowing you to fly single pilot IFR. You need the IRI or IMC/IRR to meet that requirement.

I did my initial IR in the DA42 then went multi-crew so much the same situation. Your ME-IR contained SE-IR privileges, even if the SE-IR was never issued as a standalone rating. (It may have appeared on your licence as IR-SPA-ME/SE class)

Yes, as you hold an SEP land you can do the 3x approaches and get the SE-IR privileges back again.

Edit: Where are you based? There are a few of us here with FI/IRI that might be able to help out!
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 14:41
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Spot on, thanks! Edit: Up north in NE England.

And thank you for clarifying the IRI requirement. So I could do it with a safety pilot if I had a current IMC/IRR rating, but because I don't I need an IRI? Presumably an IMC instructor doesn't qualify in the other seat, it has to be an IRI or higher?

Do you have a reference for the ME SP IR privileges covering a pilot for SE SP IR privileges? Does Part-FCL.620 (c) cover this case?

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Old 27th Aug 2021, 15:00
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Yep that's correct, though to add that if you had a current rating you could do the approaches without a safety pilot if you wanted to. You'd just claim approaches conducted during your normal flying.

An IMC instructor should be ok, you're only using them to meet the IFR requirement.

FCL.620 IR
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(c) Applicants who have completed a skill test for a multi-engine IR in a single-pilot multi-engine aeroplane for which a class rating is required shall also be issued with a single-engine IR for the single-engine aeroplane class or type ratings that they hold.
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 15:07
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Thanks. Ok so it can be an IMC/IRR Instructor, doesn't have to be a full IRI.

OnTrack aviation seem to have a good page on it as well. It covers various scenarios!
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 15:17
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Yes that's correct. An IMC instructor doesn't technically exist - they are FIs not meeting the requirements or with no desire to teach the IR. Their FI(A) will be restricted to IMC/IRR only.

In this circumstance it doesn't matter because you're not entering Class A airspace..
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 15:22
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Thanks again
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 15:24
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Since when do you need an IR to fly IFR in VMC?
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 15:26
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You need an IR to fly IFR regardless of flight conditions? Or have I misunderstood the question?
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 15:30
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Since when do you need an IR to fly IFR in VMC?
Since 1 Jan 2000 it came in with JAR-FCL
JAR–FCL 1.175 Circumstances in which
an IR(A) is required

(a) The holder of a pilot licence (A) shall
not act in any capacity as a pilot of an aeroplane
under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR), except as a
pilot undergoing skill testing or dual training,
unless the holder has an instrument rating
(IR(A)) appropriate to the category of aircraft
issued in accordance with JAR–FCL
It then carried on under EASA and the UK has adopted it as part of the withdrawl regulation.
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Old 27th Aug 2021, 16:13
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Because you need a full IR to fly IFR in class A airspace for example. Whether you are IMC or VMC is irrelevant. Donít confuse the conditions youíre flying in (VMC or IMC), with the rules youíre using to fly the aircraft (VFR or IFR).

Edit: In fact, you can only fly IFR in Class A airspace. VFR is not allowed.
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 18:45
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Just revisiting the cross crediting information in section 9 / appendix 3 of standards doc 14.

Am I right in thinking that cross crediting is not allowed to 'Renew' my SP-SE-IR rating? I can only avail of cross crediting if my SP-SE-IR is being revalidated?

TIA

EDIT: Although I see on another forum that cross crediting can be done to RENEW a SP-SE-IR, and that standards doc 14 is out of date...?

But... Part-FCL states - A. Aeroplanes Credits shall be granted only when the holder is revalidating IR privileges for single-engine and single-pilot multi-engine aeroplanes, as appropriate.

But then, UK Part-FCL states... A. Aeroplanes Credits shall be granted only if holders are revalidating or renewing IR privileges for single-pilot singleengine and single-pilot multi-engine aeroplanes, as appropriate.

Hmm...

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