UK leaving EASA - implications for Instructors
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UK leaving EASA - implications for Instructors
Generally interested to gain views, insight and any advice please on the implications for licensing and FI certificates upon the UK leaving EASA.
My current understanding is based on the following:
What are other FIs doing? Particularly interested to hear views from those currently working at larger ATOs. Personally I’m hugely reluctant to surrender my UK licence, but if that’s what’s required to continue instructing for EASA licences (on the basis of demand from EU airlines), then so be it.
Many thanks.
HW
My current understanding is based on the following:
- the UK will cease to be a member of EASA come 31st December 2020
- there is very little likelihood of a further extension of the current transition period beyond this date
- there is no mutual recognition agreement between the UK and EASA going forward
- current EASA licences and certificates become UK licences and certificates
- flying activities will be limited to UK-registered aircraft and training towards UK licences, rating and certificates ONLY
- to continue to fly EASA aircraft and instruct towards an EASA licence, a transfer of licence, medical and certificate to another EASA member state is now necessary via a transfer of SOLI (State of Licence Issue)
- UK-based ATOs cannot deliver EASA training after January 1st 2021 unless they have a base in EASA-land and apply to EASA to continue to deliver CPL training in the UK
- IR training and skill tests need to be done in EASA-land
What are other FIs doing? Particularly interested to hear views from those currently working at larger ATOs. Personally I’m hugely reluctant to surrender my UK licence, but if that’s what’s required to continue instructing for EASA licences (on the basis of demand from EU airlines), then so be it.
Many thanks.
HW
Personally I’m hugely reluctant to surrender my UK licence, but if that’s what’s required to continue instructing for EASA licences
UK-based ATOs cannot deliver EASA training after January 1st 2021 unless they have a base in EASA-land and apply to EASA to continue to deliver CPL training in the UK
The UK government has made it very clear that its passports have always been and remain UK passports. The EU being embossed on the cover makes no difference to it. Who knows then why our passports had EU embossed onto them, however that may be a different discussion or perhaps not..
So what is an EASA licence: is it a UK licence but with EASA written on it or is it actually an EASA licence that the UK has only administered until now. Are ATOs/DTOs approved EASA training organisations or are they really approved UK organisations in compliance with EASA rules? EASA have always been keen on the semantics, such as aircraft being "EASA aircraft" when they are very obviously not to anybody outside of the EASA world.
I make the points simply because of the very genuine concerns as to whether there is going to be a "cliff edge" come January 1st. The UK CAA has said that those who have commenced training for EASA licences before January 1st will be able to continue. That statement begs the question: you cannot train for an EASA licence or rating outside of an EASA approved organisation and therefore who will issue the EASA licence or rating next year. Who will the examiners be after January 1st. Will the instructors and examiners remain EASA or is the term superficially imposed on the licences and certificates without meaning as with the passports.
So what is an EASA licence: is it a UK licence but with EASA written on it or is it actually an EASA licence that the UK has only administered until now. Are ATOs/DTOs approved EASA training organisations or are they really approved UK organisations in compliance with EASA rules? EASA have always been keen on the semantics, such as aircraft being "EASA aircraft" when they are very obviously not to anybody outside of the EASA world.
I make the points simply because of the very genuine concerns as to whether there is going to be a "cliff edge" come January 1st. The UK CAA has said that those who have commenced training for EASA licences before January 1st will be able to continue. That statement begs the question: you cannot train for an EASA licence or rating outside of an EASA approved organisation and therefore who will issue the EASA licence or rating next year. Who will the examiners be after January 1st. Will the instructors and examiners remain EASA or is the term superficially imposed on the licences and certificates without meaning as with the passports.
Last edited by Fl1ingfrog; 29th Aug 2020 at 14:55.