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Can PPL, CPL and IR instructing recommence ?

Old 10th May 2020, 19:26
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Can PPL, CPL and IR instructing recommence ?

In his television broadcast at 1900 BST Sunday 10 May 2020 Boris Johnson said "you should go to work if you cannot work from home". Does this instruction from the Prime Minister mean that working within general aviation should now recommence with immediate effect.

Can professional work teaching students for their PPL CPL and IRs recommence if mitigation measures are put in place to prevent the spread of COVID-19 as far as is reasonably practical. Cleaning and decontamination of aeroplanes use of face masks and perhaps screens between the instructor and student such as seen in supermarkets and pharmacies ?

Does the instruction from the Prime Minister to return to work over turn the CAA's blanket ban on GA ?

People have been asked to return to work were they cannot work from home but have been also been told to avoid public transport were possible. On the odd rare occasion were a light aeroplane might feasibly be used to commute longer distances within the UK for work purposes this would seen to be in the spirit of the instruction namely both going to work which we are told we should do also avoiding public transport which we should try and do were possible.

Can a PPL pilot working towards a CPL recommence hour building i.e they are a professional student working towards a professional qualification remaining socially distant and avoiding public transport.

Is it time to responsibly get GA going again ?

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Old 10th May 2020, 20:30
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I'm ready to go back.....but is the airport i operate off ready or prepared to open?
They still get rent and parking and Gov. paying their employees, only losing out on fuel sales and a few quid on visitor landing fees.
Why should they be bothered to reopen.

It might some months before the clubs go bust or just give up, or grant cash runs out.

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Old 10th May 2020, 21:01
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At the moment the CAA prohibits Recreational Flying. That may change soon?
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Old 10th May 2020, 21:04
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Originally Posted by BigEndBob View Post
I'm ready to go back.....but is the airport i operate off ready or prepared to open?
They still get rent and parking and Gov. paying their employees, only losing out on fuel sales and a few quid on visitor landing fees.
Why should they be bothered to reopen.
Maybe the business paying rent needs the airport to be open in order to service customers and not go bankrupt.
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Old 10th May 2020, 21:08
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At the moment the CAA prohibits Recreational Flying. That may change soon?
Do they, i thought was just the good will of the GA community to stay grounded, rare to get a definitive position where the CAA are concerned.
And what's the reason, if the roads are going to be flooded with cars, can't use the excuse that planes falling out of the sky all over the place putting an undue burden on the NHS.
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Old 10th May 2020, 21:09
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Maybe the business paying rent needs the airport to be open in order to service customers and not go bankrupt.
They do, but does the airfield care?
Might like to see the back of the clubs and then use that to convince council not viable as airfield and build houses.
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Old 10th May 2020, 21:24
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We will have to wait to see if, when and how the CAA will permit recreational flying
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Old 10th May 2020, 21:30
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A PPL instructor for example should be able to return to work. But what students is there to teach because training isn’t permitted yet. I’m going to guess that once schools/universities go back then they will too. Best wait for the CAA guidance.
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Old 10th May 2020, 22:03
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No, I don't think it can recommence with immediate effect.

But we should be working hard now on establishing how to get it going up again; things will not be the same as before, be sooner than later we will be able to fly again - we just need to work out how we can do it with a low enough level of oversight and aggro that we can enjoy it and, for those who do, make a living from it.

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Old 11th May 2020, 08:45
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Nearly everyone i talk to, including me say that they have had some or all the symptoms of covid.
Should we just crack on and get flying and leave it up to individuals to decide if they want to risk sitting in a aircraft with someone else.
I would display a notice saying that if you have been ill recently, like last four weeks, then refrain from flying.
Can't see why solo hire can't go ahead.
What's the greater risk, dying of covid, or in a plane crash.
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Old 11th May 2020, 08:53
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Another thread here:

Can General Aviation restart now ?
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Old 11th May 2020, 08:54
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The law has not changed.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations 2020 never explicitly instructed Flying Schools to cease business.

However guidance from the CAA and DfT did. This is guidance and not legislation.

2 meter "social distancing" is appended with "if practical". For certain jobs and businesses 2 meters separation will never be practical.

WHO guidlines for workplaces are very measured; emphasising good hand washing and cleaning protocols. They emphasise not coming into work when feeling unwell. There is also detail on protecting and providing information to the vulnerable.
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Old 11th May 2020, 10:29
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From gov.uk, published on 31 March, no new update yet.
Current government guidance on coronavirus precludes recreational GA flying.

This is being observed in practice by the vast majority of the GA community, and we are grateful to them for doing so. The message we are receiving from the GA community is that they fully appreciate the need for these restrictions, and observing them is being widely encouraged throughout the community. Again, we are grateful for this.

Because the directive to stay at home is being well observed, we do not perceive a need to introduce a specific ban on flying by visual flight rules (VFR) as seen in some European countries.

This will have the significant benefit of allowing flexibility, and allowing GA flights to resume as overarching restrictions on movement are lifted.
The GA team in the Department for Transport is well aware of the structural threat this period of non-activity poses to recreational GA, including with regards to flight training (given that training flights are not currently possible due to directions on social distancing). We are therefore ramping up work to mitigate any long term negative consequences. Similarly, we are taking steps to ensure that when it is safe to do so, we will continue to fully support the GA sector.
In some GA flights, the risk of transmission is undeniably negligible, for example where the flight is a solo flight, from a private airstrip, in which no ground travel is required to access the airstrip. Nevertheless, such flights should not take place, in light of the blanket nature of the directive above, and the risk of an accident resulting in the need for social distancing measures to be abandoned.
While most GA activity occurs in uncontrolled airspace, and therefore does not involve NATS, it is important to remember that, when GA activity resumes, it is likely that some restrictions will still be in place, and pilots should therefore be mindful of the strain their activity places on other essential services.

The lower airspace radar services which NATS provide are also offered on a when possible basis, so could be turned off if necessary. Similarly, access to Class D could also be simply refused by the relevant air navigation service provider.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...neral-aviation
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Whilst it is correct to demand that authorities like the CAA are acting fairly and not over using their powers the UK is not unique in its actions. Our press is appaling in reporting the general state of affairs outside of the UK. To offer an update here, in France, the following has been circulated to flight instructors by the local FFA instructor representative who is keeping us up to date (google translated):

"To follow up on the questions that we have constantly raised with our authorities throughout this period and to prepare their exit" from above ", we officially asked again by letter yesterday to Patrick Gandil, the Director General of Aviation Civilian, what would be the possible obstacles to the resumption of our training flights.

He immediately answered us with the voice of Pierre-Yves Huerre, the Head of the Light, General Aviation and Helicopter Mission (MALGH). New official texts are being prepared for the “aeronautical” deconfinement regulations. The DGAC will inform us, as soon as possible, of the details essential to our light aviation, in particular for instruction flights. Its decisions will then have, alone, value and force of law.

We are therefore also awaiting and hoping for these official texts, and it would be very unwise at this time to rely on information or even to make decisions regarding the resumption of our activities, simply reading press releases not under the authority of the Authority

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Old 13th May 2020, 07:57
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Well it's Wednesday and as far as i can see no airfield has any excuse to be closed regards flying.
Boris told us to go back to work and i can, if the airfield opens.
I have customers queuing up, even if it's just solo hire, desperate to want to go flying.
They want to spend their furlough money!
I will just put a sign on the door, like i should any winter, "If you or family member have been ill in the last month then please stay away from the school". Simple.
Anyone phoning to book a flight will do the same on the phone.
If folks want to wear masks, that is their choice.
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Old 13th May 2020, 18:12
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Well it's Wednesday and as far as i can see no airfield has any excuse to be closed regards flying.
Boris told us to go back to work and i can, if the airfield opens.
I have customers queuing up, even if it's just solo hire, desperate to want to go flying.
They want to spend their furlough money!
I will just put a sign on the door, like i should any winter, "If you or family member have been ill in the last month then please stay away from the school". Simple.
Anyone phoning to book a flight will do the same on the phone.
If folks want to wear masks, that is their choice.
Google : “General Aviation Recreational Flying Covid UK” The 31st March 2020 spiel on gov.uk says no general aviation not allowed
Needs updating at some stage by Gov.uk
Am I missing something???
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Old 14th May 2020, 10:41
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The latest from France (FFA representative) received today:

Pending, more and more uncertain, from a press release from the DGAC, what we all expected from our Authority or the Ministry of Transport, in order to remove any ambiguity on "can we or no, fly solo, assisted dual control (for recovery flights) or instruction ”, I suggest you, given the complexity of the many texts and therefore the readings that may be different, to take stock at this time (depending factual information known to me).

Since the end of the confinement taken by Decree n ° 2020-548 allowing the possibilities of displacement and rendering obsolete the measures taken previously, with, it goes without saying, preponderant value concerning the flights on the initial press release from the DGAC, at the beginning of crisis.

IF SANITARY MEASURES TAKEN WITHIN OUR CLUBS (premises, ground and management of protections and barrier gestures in cases where social distancing cannot be guaranteed during thefts) ,

NO PROHIBITION CONTINUES CONCERNING THE USE OF OUR PLANES but within the limit of one hundred km, flight plan is no longer compulsory, usual rules of the air.

At the same time, the Ministry of Sports, which also manages our activity, released on 11/05 / current the "Guide to supporting the resumption of activities" (in attachment).

In it is specified for the period from May 11 to June 2 ;
  • Resumption of single-seat activity and
  • Resumption of sports training (aerobatics, precision piloting and air rally) with trips of less than 100 km;
AND

For the instruction, compliance with the principles and recommendations of the DGAC (our only line ministry for this training activity).

Conclusion:

FOR PILOTS, ONLY ONE PERSON ON BOARD (no other pilot pilots or friends, etc.) (Ministry of Sports);
  • FOR INSTRUCTORS, NO CHANGES, WE CAN ACCOMPANY A PILOT FOR RECOVERY OR INSTRUCTION FLIGHTS (Ministry of Transport - DGAC no ban therefore published as part of the privileges of an FI or FE).
However, it would have been good for our two departments to consult and communicate jointly in order to avoid all of the uncertainty and tension that this created.

And anyway, I want to pay tribute to the FFA and the ANPI for the considerable work they do to maintain and develop our activities and our defense.

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Google : “General Aviation Recreational Flying Covid UK” The 31st March 2020 spiel on gov.uk says no general aviation not allowed
Needs updating at some stage by Gov.uk
Am I missing something???
From Gov.uk

"Recreational flying

Current government guidance on coronavirus precludes recreational GA flying.

This is being observed in practice by the vast majority of the GA community, and we are grateful to them for doing so. The message we are receiving from the GA community is that they fully appreciate the need for these restrictions, and observing them is being widely encouraged throughout the community. Again, we are grateful for this.
"

"Because the directive to stay at home is being well observed, we do not perceive a need to introduce a specific ban on flying by visual flight rules (VFR) as seen in some European countries."

We have never been stopped form flying.
If there was ban, they suggest the process to unban would be more long winded. Well of course it would be for jobsworths.

Still i'm getting furlough money, not wearing out my aircraft to earn that cash and who knows when dual flying will recommence.
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Old 14th May 2020, 16:24
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PPL student here, if I get any more lessons before September I’ll consider that a bonus. Hopefully I’m being overly pessimistic.
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Old 14th May 2020, 21:58
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The CAA's current view....

....seems pretty clear to me: https://www.caa.co.uk/Our-work/Newsr...onal-aviation/

Click on the 'GA maintenance check flights' link:

Quote:
  • while the UK Government's social distancing policy is in place the owner or organisation operating the aircraft must maintain a log of all the aircraft movements. As a minimum, this must include the purpose of the flight, the aircraft registration, the pilot and their licence number, the flight's date, time and duration. This log is to be kept and if required provided immediately in electronic form to the CAA.
  • Only solo flights by fully qualified pilots are permitted. No other flights, including instructional sorties are allowed. Aircraft must not be rented-out or flown for financial gain.
As an FI, how do you safely maintain social distancing in a light aircraft?

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