IMC / IR(R) embedded privileges currency

[custardpsc]

Genghis - I did find this sentence whilst looking at third country licence verification process - so it seems that this is still a possibility.

"Instrument Rating (Restricted) where applied for on the basis of a Third Country single pilot instrument rating "

[BEagle]

Current policy is still as per CAP804:

An applicant who holds an ICAO IR(A) or military green Instrument Rating (Aeroplanes) and has passed a single-pilot IR test in the 24 months preceding the date of application for the IMC Rating / IR (Restricted) will be credited with a pass in the initial IMC Rating/ IR (Restricted) Skill Test and the written examination. The applicant must apply for the issue of the IMC rating within 24 months of the last IR test passed, The IMC Rating / IR(Restricted) will be valid for 25 months after the last day of the month in which the last IR test was successfully passed.

( Apologies for the font - the latest PPRuNe software still doesn't include user-selectable font size / type... )

[custardpsc]

Beagle - thank you, I should have known it was in CAP804. Now I just need to figure out how this applies if one already held an IR(R) that was expired.. ie if my IR test/proficiency checks could be used to validate my IR(R) for my already held expired IR(R) ....

[Fleyer]

Teaching IR(R)

Hi all,

Can someone clarify what is required for an FI (with an MEP/CPL/IR) to teach IR(R) - the old IMC rating?

Many schools quote the following:

Pre-Course Requirements
Hold a valid IR(R) and an unrestricted FI rating;
Completed at least 10 hours flight time by sole reference to instruments in an aeroplane, Full Flight simulator, Flight Training Device (FTD) 2/3 or Flight Navigation Procedure Trainer (FNPT)II.

I am assuming I can teach IR(R) if I "only" have an IR and not an IR(R)? Also if I have an IR, I automatically fulfill the 10 hour requirement?

Would appreciate if someone could clarify.

Many thanks

[Whopity]

Hold a valid IR(R) and an unrestricted FI rating;]

This is a rather outdated concept going back to National ratings.
To teach for the IMC or IR a FI must have embedded IRI privileges, this is indicated in section XII of the licence under FI with a (g) for the IR and (g)(IRR) for the IMC-IRR simply holding an IR is not enough.

Completed at least 10 hours flight time by sole reference to instruments in an aeroplane

This is a prerequisite to undertake a FI Course FCL.915.FI.FI. You must also hold a UK issued licence to teach for the IRR as it is an exclusive UK rating.

[Mickey Kaye]

While we are on the subject. FAA CPL/IR and has a EASA PPL, SEP, IMC, FI but no CPL TK and No Easa IR. Are they able to teach for the IMC? as IN 2016-082 states (my bold):

4.3
In addition, the CAA will authorise instructors to instruct for the IMC Rating/IR(R) if they satisfy the following requirements:
a) hold a Part-FCL aeroplane licence issued by the UK CAA; and
b) hold a Flight Instructor (Aeroplane) (FI(A)) without supervisory restriction, qualified to instruct for the single pilot class rating for the class or type of aeroplane which the IR(R) instruction is to be conducted in; and
c) hold a valid IR(R) rating or IR(A) (not En-route Instrument Rating (EIR)) on the Part- FCL licence; and
d) have passed all TK examinations either for the issue of a CPL(A) or IRI(A), subject to the same time limitations stated in Part-FCL Annex I; and
e) have completed at least 10 hours flight time by sole reference to instruments in an aeroplane, Full Flight Simulator (FFS), Flight Training Device (FTD) 2/3 or Flight Navigation Procedure Trainer (FNPT) II; and
f) have completed the course as specified in FCL.905.FI(g) as detailed in FCL.930.IRI; and
g) have passed an Assessment of Competence to instruct for the IR(R) with a Flight Instructor Examiner (FIE) as specified in FCL.905.FI(g).
Note: The course specified in FCL.905.FI(g) may be completed for the purpose of qualifying to instruct for the IR(R) without having the prerequisite IFR experience for the issue of the FCL.905.FI(g) privileges.

Also I have no idea what IRI(TK) is. As far as I know there is no such thing?

[Whopity]

Also I have no idea what IRI(TK) is. As far as I know there is no such thing?

Which really goes to show the level of knowledge of the author of the IN! But, very easy to achieve!

[BEagle]

If you have not passed the CPL exams, your instruction is limited to LAPL level. This also includes any ratings which may be included in a LAPL if you are additionally qualified (e.g. the Aerobatic Rating). But an IR(R) cannot be included in a LAPL, so you cannot provide instruction for the IR(R) as the minimum licence level in which an IR(R) can be included is the PPL(A).

[Whopity]

If you have not passed the CPL exams, your instruction is limited to LAPL level.

However; if you held an FI rating prior to EASA without CPL level knowledge then you are not restricted to LAPL, this apllies to quite a few AFIs and EX RAF QFIs who obtained a FI rating on a PPL. Under JARs they could not let such a rating lapse more than 5 years without having to complete the CPL TK, but this ceased under EASA.

[Fleyer]

Thanks for your replies! So in a nutshell, if I have an EASA ME CPL IR FI, with a SOLI that is not the UK, the only way to teach IR(R) in the UK is to transfer my SOLI to UK CAA. Then do I need to go through IR(R) course to put it on my licence?

Is there a document that details all these regulations? Could not find the answer in ANO.

[Whopity]

A lot of this information was promulgatewed by Information Notice try IN2016-82
You would need to trasfer your SOLI to the UK and you would need to complete the IRI course if you have not already done so.

[Mickey Kaye]

Originally Posted by Whopity

Which really goes to show the level of knowledge of the author of the IN! But, very easy to achieve!

Ok so how do you achieve it?

[Whopity]

There is nothing to achieve!