LAPL Annual Training Review by FAA instructor
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The question surrounds a CAA issued LAPL (H) and the requirement to have within the last 12 months refresher training of at least 1 hour of flight time with an Instructor. Or the completing of additional flight time / take offs etc to meet requirements under the supervision of an instructor.
Can that supervision or refresher instruction be with an FAA instructor?
My intial answer is NO but I see a potential grey area in the wording and I’m being pressed by a colleague to take him up to get him current.
Of course the AFSP is another consideration but in theory could a suitable candidate on vacation in Florida could go up for an hour with an FAA instructor, get the tick in his book and by nature of no offical forms to complete the log book entry meets requirements?
And what if the LAPL Holder has access to an AC in the UK, could that supervision happen as two mates going flying providing the “requirements” are met?
Personally I air on the side caution when it comes into regulatory things but worth getting your thoughts for back-up ammunition!!
Can that supervision or refresher instruction be with an FAA instructor?
My intial answer is NO but I see a potential grey area in the wording and I’m being pressed by a colleague to take him up to get him current.
Of course the AFSP is another consideration but in theory could a suitable candidate on vacation in Florida could go up for an hour with an FAA instructor, get the tick in his book and by nature of no offical forms to complete the log book entry meets requirements?
And what if the LAPL Holder has access to an AC in the UK, could that supervision happen as two mates going flying providing the “requirements” are met?
Personally I air on the side caution when it comes into regulatory things but worth getting your thoughts for back-up ammunition!!
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The question surrounds a CAA issued LAPL (H) and the requirement to have within the last 12 months refresher training of at least 1 hour of flight time with an Instructor. Or the completing of additional flight time / take offs etc to meet requirements under the supervision of an instructor.
Can that supervision or refresher instruction be with an FAA instructor?
My intial answer is NO but I see a potential grey area in the wording and I’m being pressed by a colleague to take him up to get him current.
Of course the AFSP is another consideration but in theory could a suitable candidate on vacation in Florida could go up for an hour with an FAA instructor, get the tick in his book and by nature of no offical forms to complete the log book entry meets requirements?
And what if the LAPL Holder has access to an AC in the UK, could that supervision happen as two mates going flying providing the “requirements” are met?
Personally I air on the side caution when it comes into regulatory things but worth getting your thoughts for back-up ammunition!!
Can that supervision or refresher instruction be with an FAA instructor?
My intial answer is NO but I see a potential grey area in the wording and I’m being pressed by a colleague to take him up to get him current.
Of course the AFSP is another consideration but in theory could a suitable candidate on vacation in Florida could go up for an hour with an FAA instructor, get the tick in his book and by nature of no offical forms to complete the log book entry meets requirements?
And what if the LAPL Holder has access to an AC in the UK, could that supervision happen as two mates going flying providing the “requirements” are met?
Personally I air on the side caution when it comes into regulatory things but worth getting your thoughts for back-up ammunition!!
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Perfect that’s exactly what I was looking for. Thanks
I saw grey as the CAA documentation only states instructor without specifying what they mean by “Instructor”. Whereas EASA clearly define it and of course the LAPL is issued under EASA.
That gives me what I need to fend off the requestor as I wanted. I guess I’ve been in FAA land too long to be able to find it straight away.
cheers again
I saw grey as the CAA documentation only states instructor without specifying what they mean by “Instructor”. Whereas EASA clearly define it and of course the LAPL is issued under EASA.
That gives me what I need to fend off the requestor as I wanted. I guess I’ve been in FAA land too long to be able to find it straight away.
cheers again
It’s not because you’ve been in FAA land too long, it’s because much of this stuff is complicated (although not this example), poorly indexed and inconsistently laid out in Part FCL
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my next steps are EASA CPL etc but studying for those exams while working a 70-90 hour full time job outside the industry is difficult to manage!!
Why can't the LAPL (H) holder use 1 hour of refresher training in the U.S with an FAA instructor for the purpose of self validation. The LAPL regulation only requires that refresher training is undertaken (plus the other requirements of course). The revalidation undertaken is not set down by EASA, Is refresher training a course of training which must be undertaken at an ATO/DTO? Below is the actual extract from the EASA bible (the formatting is mine);
GM1 FCL.135.A; FCL.135(H)
FCL.140.H LAPL(H) — Recency requirements (a) Holders of an LAPL(H) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence on a specific type when they have completed on helicopters of that type in the last 12 months:
(1) at least 6 hours of flight time as PIC, including 6 take-offs, approaches and landings; and
(2) refresher training of at least 1 hour total flight time with an instructor.
(b) Holders of an LAPL (H) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall:
(1) pass a proficiency check with an examiner on the specific type before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence; or
(2) perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).
Could someone please provide a reference that prescribes who the instructor for the "refresher" must be?
GM1 FCL.135.A; FCL.135(H)
FCL.140.H LAPL(H) — Recency requirements (a) Holders of an LAPL(H) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence on a specific type when they have completed on helicopters of that type in the last 12 months:
(1) at least 6 hours of flight time as PIC, including 6 take-offs, approaches and landings; and
(2) refresher training of at least 1 hour total flight time with an instructor.
(b) Holders of an LAPL (H) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall:
(1) pass a proficiency check with an examiner on the specific type before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence; or
(2) perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).
Could someone please provide a reference that prescribes who the instructor for the "refresher" must be?
'Instructor' in this EU document obviously means a flight instructor, not a driving instructor, diving instructor or lion-taming instructor...
Ipso facto, as the requirement for EU flight instructors is to hold a relevant instructor certificate issued in accordance with Part-FCL, then refresher training with an FAA instructor is not acceptable unless he/she also holds a Part-FCL pilot licence with relevant Class / Type Rating(s) plus instructor certificate.
Ipso facto, as the requirement for EU flight instructors is to hold a relevant instructor certificate issued in accordance with Part-FCL, then refresher training with an FAA instructor is not acceptable unless he/she also holds a Part-FCL pilot licence with relevant Class / Type Rating(s) plus instructor certificate.
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Instructor
As mentioned before in GM1 above, the instructor must be of EASA origin unless specified as such, just because it only says instructor doesn’t necessarily mean any instructor - could it be a fixed wing instructor for instance?
GM1 FCL.005
Whenever licences, ratings, approvals or certificates are mentioned in Part-FCL, these are meant to be valid licences, ratings, approvals or certificates issued in accordance with Part-FCL. In all other cases, these documents are specified
Whenever licences, ratings, approvals or certificates are mentioned in Part-FCL, these are meant to be valid licences, ratings, approvals or certificates issued in accordance with Part-FCL. In all other cases, these documents are specified
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Interesting point Billiebob. It would be interesting to see if someone has gone through the process.
There’s always a get out for the authorities as it states they (competent authority) may issue a certificate and that the FI complies with the requirements within the subpart.
It would be interesting to see what the CAA would require to fulfill this requirement?🤔 Probably sit all the CPL exams and carry out a full FI course!
There’s always a get out for the authorities as it states they (competent authority) may issue a certificate and that the FI complies with the requirements within the subpart.
It would be interesting to see what the CAA would require to fulfill this requirement?🤔 Probably sit all the CPL exams and carry out a full FI course!
Of course a LAPL is not valid in a country outside the EU however; that is not to say you can't do dual training there, but as its training, you would need an appropriate Visa!
