Is an ATPL equal to BSc or BA?
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In terms of difficulty and trying to drink knowledge from a firehouse the Airbus A320 B1 (mechanical ) maintenance course left the ATPL for dust........ it’s those grubby blokes who turn up on your flight deck with the tech log that should have the BSc.
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I can’t understand why some want to compare the two; chalk and cheese.
”Can anybody fly a plane? The pilot is unconscious!”
”Madam, I can probably help, I have a BSC!”
”Can anybody fly a plane? The pilot is unconscious!”
”Madam, I can probably help, I have a BSC!”
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It's funny how many pilots don't respect this!
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Homsap,
If I were you I would contact the University(ies) you are interested in and ask them - some are very flexible.
The above statement is based on my wife's experience:
My wife thought long and hard about it - concerned her lack of previous formal education would put her at a massive disadvantage.
In the end she passed the MBA course with a Distinction - her many years of relevant experience (as the interviewer and professor had correctly identified) prepared her better, for the course, than a few years of study.
If you don't ask you'll never know - what's the worst that can happen?
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If I were you I would contact the University(ies) you are interested in and ask them - some are very flexible.
The above statement is based on my wife's experience:
- Left school with very few qualifications
- Spent many years working in finance
- Decided she wanted a Bachelors degree
My wife thought long and hard about it - concerned her lack of previous formal education would put her at a massive disadvantage.
In the end she passed the MBA course with a Distinction - her many years of relevant experience (as the interviewer and professor had correctly identified) prepared her better, for the course, than a few years of study.
If you don't ask you'll never know - what's the worst that can happen?
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not to undermine what the engineers do, but I wouldn’t big it up that much these days .
787 - get out green laptop. Run diagnostic . If result is negative, call Boeing....
Entry for degree courses straight from school is competitive and there are minimum academic qualifications. But after a few years you become a prospective "mature student" and universities take other things into account - they use terms like "experiential learning" and "self development" but what they are essentially getting at is that a few years of living, travelling and working can go a long way to compensate for the lack of formal Level 3 quals. If they have any doubts then they offer you a "foundation degree" (which is a one-year course from nothing to to a Level 4 standard). Once you have passed that you can "top it up" with a 2-3 year course to a basic or honours degree (these durations are for the full-time version - part time .durations vary).
It may sound strange, but it can actually be easier to get on a course at Masters Degree level. A large proportion of Masters-level courses are taken by mature students, and the entry requirements are usually extremely flexible. 25 years ago you could only take a Masters as a second degree, but times have changed and I know many people who have gained MSc/MEng qualifications without a first degree. There are a huge number of part-time tutored Masters courses available (most universities offer them) so it's just a matter of picking your subject. Although they are "tutored" there will always be an element of research to deliver a dissertation or thesis, and while this can be a lot of work (if you choose too broad a subject) you have tutors and supervisors available to guide you. IIRC the usual stipulation for a part-time masters is that you have to show progress or "gain credit" every year, and you must complete no later than five years after starting. Some full-time Masters courses can be completed in a year, but that's often a fast-paced course which needs a lot of effort.
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It may sound strange, but it can actually be easier to get on a course at Masters Degree level. A large proportion of Masters-level courses are taken by mature students, and the entry requirements are usually extremely flexible. 25 years ago you could only take a Masters as a second degree, but times have changed and I know many people who have gained MSc/MEng qualifications without a first degree. There are a huge number of part-time tutored Masters courses available (most universities offer them) so it's just a matter of picking your subject. Although they are "tutored" there will always be an element of research to deliver a dissertation or thesis, and while this can be a lot of work (if you choose too broad a subject) you have tutors and supervisors available to guide you. IIRC the usual stipulation for a part-time masters is that you have to show progress or "gain credit" every year, and you must complete no later than five years after starting. Some full-time Masters courses can be completed in a year, but that's often a fast-paced course which needs a lot of effort.
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Happy to stand corrected. I hadn't noticed that detail. I'd always just understood that an MEng was a level 7 qualification designed and accredited to satisfy the UK&U requirement of UKSpec at CEng level. I'd never noticed that they were only available as integrated Masters courses.
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That is what they are - you either need a 3 year BEng plus a 1 year MSc, or a 4 year MEng to meet the present minimum educational requirements for award of CEng. [I snuck in before that with just a BEng, but the world moves on.]
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my dog could do the atpls. It never ceases to amaze me the ego of pilots.
Many universities use the concept of equivalent experience or externally acquired competencies to evaluate whether parts of a course can be 'ticked off' when a student has several years of experience in a work environment. No doubt a pilot with sufficient experience and perhaps the odd side task or two will be able to make use of such a procedure and thereby acquire a degree in less time than needed for a fresh out of high school student. Whether this is possible is completely up to the university and course applied for and is highly dependant on the experience of the applicant. It will also be up to the pilot to provide the needed evidence, it is not a question of plonking a licence and logbook on the counter and getting a piece of paper in return.
There are actually no minimum educational requirements for registration at C.Eng (or I.Eng, or EngTech) level - the Engineering Council are firm in this point. The Standard (UKSpec) describes the requisite level of "Underpinning Knowledge and Understanding" (UK&U) by reference to exemplifying qualifications (an accredited masters degree supported by an accredited honours degree for C.Eng), but the actual requirement is to demonstrate UK&U to the same level as the exemplifying qualifications. This is where the CEng standard differs from the colonial "PE" standard. I got a database search of all CEng and IEng awards from 1990 to the present (which was then 2015) and estanblished that only 21% of successful applicants held the full exemplifying quals; the remainder had demonstrated UK&U by other means. The bulk of the 79% just have a bachelors degree, but many have less (or military attainments via the SRA schemes) and I know of several examples of successful CEng candidates who held no degree at all. They are rare, but they exist; one such is current current Vice President of the IET (FREng CEng FIET, but no degree). My experience as an assessor since that time suggests that it is still very much the case.
Having the exemplifying quals makes life easier for we assessors, but it doesn't necessarily make it any harder for the applicant. It just means that they need to add a bit more detail in their career history to show how and when the higher level of UK was achieved, whether by formal further education, work-based/experiential learning etc. If the assessors are still unsure after requesting further evidence then they invite the candidate to submit a technical report, but that's quite rare. There also used to be Engineering Council Exams as an alternative, but that got rather silly and the EC Exams were formally withdrawn in 2011.
The point being that (unlike the PE and Eur.ING registrations) the CEng/IEng registrations require evidence that the candidate actually understands and can apply the underlying physics/engineeing theory/principles and mathematical tools rather than merely having passed the exams!
PDR [MSc CEng MIET, registration assessor/advisor for the IET]
No disagreement on any of that PDR - I gave very much the "standard route" version, not the only route. I did train as a CEng assessor for RAeS, but after they'd not actually used me in 2 years, I told them to knock me off the list as I'd effectively forgotten the training without that consolidation.
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CEng FRAeS FIMechE Eur.Ing. (and yes I know the last is supposed to go in front of your name, but I elect not to,just sticking "Dr" there.)
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CEng FRAeS FIMechE Eur.Ing. (and yes I know the last is supposed to go in front of your name, but I elect not to,just sticking "Dr" there.)
