SEP IFR

[RASS]

Good evening gents!

One (for you instructor and examiners) simple question:

I got a valid ATR TR incl. IR (ATR/IR).. and

I got a valid SEP(Land) rating.

Am I allowed to fly SEP IFR?

Reference (EASA) please!

Thanks!!

[S-Works]

Credits shall be granted only when the holder is revalidating IR privileges for single-engine and single-pilot multi-engine aeroplanes, as appropriate.
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(*) Provided that within the preceding 12 months the applicant has flown at least three IFR departures and approaches on an SP class or type of aeroplane in single pilot operations, or, for multi-engine non-high performance non-complex aeroplanes, the applicant has passed section 6 of the skill test for single-pilot non-high performance non- complex aeroplanes flown solely by reference to instruments in single-pilot operation

[Level Attitude]

To fly IFR in any aircraft requires a pilot to hold an IR which is valid for that aircraft.

You state you have an IR specific to the ATR Type; this does not, therefore, allow to fly any other aircraft IFR that does not fall within the same Type Rating.

SEP (Land) is a Class Rating, you would therefore need an IR applicable to that Rating.

This would be annotated on your Licence as 'IR-SP-SE', where SP = Single Pilot and SE = Single Engine.

Note: Bose-X gives valid information for ease of maintaining an IR-SP-SE once you have one.

[S-Works]

Note: Bose-X gives valid information for ease of maintaining an IR-SP-SE once you have one.

And to get one, the OP should have had an IR on a ME/SE at some stage. What I have stated is correct. Go on, ask me how I know......

[Level Attitude]

Originally Posted by bose-x

And to get one, the OP should have had an IR on a ME/SE at some stage. What I have stated is correct. Go on, ask me how I know......

Hey bose-x,
How do you know that?

[Ex Oggie]

And to get one, the OP should have had an IR on a ME/SE at some stage

Unless the licence was opened with a MPA type only. Seen a few of these recently. In which case it's a SPA IR initial with the CAA.

[S-Works]

Originally Posted by Level Attitude

Hey bose-x,
How do you know that?

How do you think......

[OhNoCB]

Out of interest since it's relevant to me - I recently after a few years of having a no UK issued licence (although it was originally UK issued) have returned to the UK as my state of licence issue. The expired IR-SP-ME that was on my Irish licence has not been carried over to the back of my UK issued licence. I queried this with them and was told it didn't need to me because it was a requirement for the B737 300-900/IR on my licence.

Does this sound correct to you folk in the know? The prospect of renewing the ME IR (or even SE IR) is what makes me wonder as according to my licence I never had it and the CAA say this is correct.

[portsharbourflyer]

Yes, because although your MPA IR doesn't give you SPA IR privileges anyone from a NON-MPL background would have held an SPA ME IR to get a MPA IR issued. Also when an ATO assesses the training requirement to renew your SPA IR, the time elapsed is from the date of your last IR (irrespective of if it is a SPA or MPA) not the date of your last SPA IR.

[OhNoCB]

Cheers! Out of interest how would this be determined against an ATPL holder who got there through the MPL route. Would there licence not look exactly the same? Or is there something on it that shows it is MPL derived.

[Ex Oggie]

Would there licence not look exactly the same? Or is there something on it that shows it is MPL derived.

Section XII would have a different entry. Next to Instrument, yours should say Nil in the remarks and restrictions column. If the pilot only ever had a MPA EASA IR (e.g. ICAO conversion), it will be annotated MP.