Flight Instructor Work???
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Flight Instructor Work???
I am curious as to those who have done their FI(R) rating since September 11 how much work they have gained out of it??? I was VERY tempted to go along this route after completing my 'frozen ATPL' last August but have yet to decide if this is a good option. Yes, I know any training can only improve your skills but for 30 hours flying at approx. £5,500 would it not be better to do say the equivalent amount of quality, monitored, instrument route flying in say the USA to gain invalueable twin time??? I look forward to hearing your experiences out there... Cheers!!!
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Well i have been a jammy git, got a full time job and flew approx 60 hours last month, could have done more but Gatwick were behined with lic issue.
And BTW i find instructing great fun and get alot of job statisfaction from teaching the punters. As with most jobs the FI jobs arn't advertised and most come through word of mouth. If you have a well connected FI instructor thats half the battle.
All the best
MJ
And BTW i find instructing great fun and get alot of job statisfaction from teaching the punters. As with most jobs the FI jobs arn't advertised and most come through word of mouth. If you have a well connected FI instructor thats half the battle.
All the best
MJ
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Nice one - I'm glad you got the FI job. You are no doubt in a real minority there.
I binned out of an FI course half way thorugh last October for lack of cash and job prospects. Having seen a 2,000 hour FE friend who was made redundant from an airline struggle to get an FI job, I'm glad I did.
I'm desperate to finish off the rating and instruct... unfortunately I'm full-time employed out of aviation now.
cheers!
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Nice one - I'm glad you got the FI job. You are no doubt in a real minority there.
I binned out of an FI course half way thorugh last October for lack of cash and job prospects. Having seen a 2,000 hour FE friend who was made redundant from an airline struggle to get an FI job, I'm glad I did.
I'm desperate to finish off the rating and instruct... unfortunately I'm full-time employed out of aviation now.
cheers!
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I think COVEC is being a little harsh. I have several friends who went the FI route after finishing flying training and have managed to get jobs. I think it is a sensible route to take since at the end of the day it clocks up the hours ( and cheaply )and keeps you in the avation circuit, for when a sniff of a job comes up.
What looks better to a employer at an interview, a guy who finished flying two years ago and has just done 20 hours private flying sice or a guy who finished two years ago and has another 1000 hours under his belt?
Its also important to remember that the airline jobs are hard to come by especialy for new pilots. If an airline comes knocking a year down the road looking for new F/Os then unless you have done something to keep you experience current, the guy who has just graduated and is current has the advantage.
I nearly did it myself but was lucky in the meantime.
What looks better to a employer at an interview, a guy who finished flying two years ago and has just done 20 hours private flying sice or a guy who finished two years ago and has another 1000 hours under his belt?
Its also important to remember that the airline jobs are hard to come by especialy for new pilots. If an airline comes knocking a year down the road looking for new F/Os then unless you have done something to keep you experience current, the guy who has just graduated and is current has the advantage.
I nearly did it myself but was lucky in the meantime.
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yes! Me too!
I did my FI training Oct/Nov last year - now instruct at two schools - one I flew at already, other was word of mouth. Im very very happy - I *love* instructing and *wont* be giving it up when I get to the airlines....IRI course starts in July!!! Cant wait!!!! (almost unrestricted already)...
I did my FI training Oct/Nov last year - now instruct at two schools - one I flew at already, other was word of mouth. Im very very happy - I *love* instructing and *wont* be giving it up when I get to the airlines....IRI course starts in July!!! Cant wait!!!! (almost unrestricted already)...
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Well my employer is trying to persuade me to do an FIR so I don't bu99er off to the US where I have been offered paid flying (only glider tow, not "quality" hours like instructing) or a job that would require me to fly (the second not pilot main job).
I have been chatting to mj and others who say there is loads of work where they are, and my employer can offer me weekend work, but little in the week. I really wanted mid-week flying, so does anyone know whether there is much in the Dorset/Wiltshire/Southern Hampshire area?
I need airborne time, or I will become unemployable, but don't want to leave my current employers, who are great to work with.
I have been chatting to mj and others who say there is loads of work where they are, and my employer can offer me weekend work, but little in the week. I really wanted mid-week flying, so does anyone know whether there is much in the Dorset/Wiltshire/Southern Hampshire area?
I need airborne time, or I will become unemployable, but don't want to leave my current employers, who are great to work with.
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Sorry covec.. but I have to disagree.
There are FI jobs out there, especially as the summer season is more or less upon us...
I finished my FI course in mid feb.. got my licence back from the CAA in mid March and have been offered 4 FI jobs (3 full time, 1 part time) since then.. I am now instructing full time and just getting enough students to be fairly busy (50+ hrs a month and steadily increasing).
Word of mouth, recommendations and the like work wonders but otherwise try calling, visiting etc etc.
Flying schools will want someone that is committed, enthusiastic and who will fit in well with the other staff.
Good luck
There are FI jobs out there, especially as the summer season is more or less upon us...
I finished my FI course in mid feb.. got my licence back from the CAA in mid March and have been offered 4 FI jobs (3 full time, 1 part time) since then.. I am now instructing full time and just getting enough students to be fairly busy (50+ hrs a month and steadily increasing).
Word of mouth, recommendations and the like work wonders but otherwise try calling, visiting etc etc.
Flying schools will want someone that is committed, enthusiastic and who will fit in well with the other staff.
Good luck
It is a fact there there are more instructors chasing fewer jobs this year than in the last 5 at least.
Anecdotal point - there have been no FI vacancies advertised in Pilot/Flyer/Flight this year whereas last year there were at least half a dozen.
I know of plenty of people with ratings and experience unable to find full time summer FI work.
Many are scratching around with a few hours in the week and a bit of weekend checkout and trial flight work.
In 1999 I was doing 100hrs a month, 9 - 5 Mon - Fri, with an incentive scheme to fly above that, the Boss was struggling to find enough new instructors and half way through the summer we demanded a pay rise.
There is merit in completing a FI rating at the moment. But not much. It could take a long time to repay the £5,500.
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Anecdotal point - there have been no FI vacancies advertised in Pilot/Flyer/Flight this year whereas last year there were at least half a dozen.
I know of plenty of people with ratings and experience unable to find full time summer FI work.
Many are scratching around with a few hours in the week and a bit of weekend checkout and trial flight work.
In 1999 I was doing 100hrs a month, 9 - 5 Mon - Fri, with an incentive scheme to fly above that, the Boss was struggling to find enough new instructors and half way through the summer we demanded a pay rise.
There is merit in completing a FI rating at the moment. But not much. It could take a long time to repay the £5,500.
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Just go for it i have been offered 2 jobs since i started this one.
The trick is to be completely mobile and be willing to relocate to next to the school.
Logbooks etc have been dispatched after 5 weeks to get restriction removed.
From what i can tell the CFI's are looking for restricted instructors fresh outa school so they don't have to put up with "well we used to do it this way where i last worked"
MJ
The trick is to be completely mobile and be willing to relocate to next to the school.
Logbooks etc have been dispatched after 5 weeks to get restriction removed.
From what i can tell the CFI's are looking for restricted instructors fresh outa school so they don't have to put up with "well we used to do it this way where i last worked"
MJ
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Well i think i am a jammy git because it was the third school i phoned on a huge list. I hadn't even finished the FI course.
And the job has turned out to be great, tons of flying and great people to work with ( this includes the local twr, refuelers and students). Planes in good knick, no hassels running known defects etc, everything works.
And as for who they are, i can't think of a faster way of not being called again, than opening the flood gates of all unemployed FI's in the country ringing because they heard there was a job going.
MJ
And the job has turned out to be great, tons of flying and great people to work with ( this includes the local twr, refuelers and students). Planes in good knick, no hassels running known defects etc, everything works.
And as for who they are, i can't think of a faster way of not being called again, than opening the flood gates of all unemployed FI's in the country ringing because they heard there was a job going.
MJ
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So did you cold call on your current employer or did you know someone there or did you get the tip off from someone in the know?
I'm interested cos i'm trying to suss out how things work in the instucting world as i'm hoping to break into it in the future.
I'm interested cos i'm trying to suss out how things work in the instucting world as i'm hoping to break into it in the future.
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Mad Jock
Since you are so happily employed it seems a shame that you do not possess the team spirit to allow other FIs a chance at these many offers you are fortunate enough to have received. Remember, aviation is a small world. Far from happening upon your lucky break by pure chance, you got a push in the right direction by someone in the 'know'. So give back a little in the same spirit.
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Since you are so happily employed it seems a shame that you do not possess the team spirit to allow other FIs a chance at these many offers you are fortunate enough to have received. Remember, aviation is a small world. Far from happening upon your lucky break by pure chance, you got a push in the right direction by someone in the 'know'. So give back a little in the same spirit.
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I'm disgusted!!!!!!!!!
Mad jock
I am totally disgusted with you attitude, you should be ashamed of yourself.
You have a job and knowledge of two others that you don't require.why won't you pass on the info?
you are a disgrace to our profession, we are all in this together during these hard times and i would hope that info that was surplus to requirements would be passed on to help those that were unemployed and clearly struggling.If it was your only job offer and you needed it i would not blame you for keeping it to yourself but this is clearly not.
Newly qualified are you?frightened of others getting ahead?got a confidence defect?
I'm alright jack attitudes like this tend to get found out along the way and you will meet people (mad jock) on your way down as those that you think you are above are on the way up.
Remember that what goes around comes around.
Good luck to you and you self centred attitude.
I am totally disgusted with you attitude, you should be ashamed of yourself.
You have a job and knowledge of two others that you don't require.why won't you pass on the info?
you are a disgrace to our profession, we are all in this together during these hard times and i would hope that info that was surplus to requirements would be passed on to help those that were unemployed and clearly struggling.If it was your only job offer and you needed it i would not blame you for keeping it to yourself but this is clearly not.
Newly qualified are you?frightened of others getting ahead?got a confidence defect?
I'm alright jack attitudes like this tend to get found out along the way and you will meet people (mad jock) on your way down as those that you think you are above are on the way up.
Remember that what goes around comes around.
Good luck to you and you self centred attitude.
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If you are who I think you are it was I who gave you the tip off about your current employment.
I am more than a little disapointed that you have not continued the good spirit and passed on you own employment information to those that are looking for that illusive job.
What would of happened if I had kept the info to myself?
Would you be working as near as you are to home?
Doing as well as you are?
If it wasn't for the tip would you be employed now in the nice location as near to home as you are?
I think not.
One good turn deserves another come on spill the beans to the others on here that it may be of use too.
If you are who I think you are it was I who gave you the tip off about your current employment.
I am more than a little disapointed that you have not continued the good spirit and passed on you own employment information to those that are looking for that illusive job.
What would of happened if I had kept the info to myself?
Would you be working as near as you are to home?
Doing as well as you are?
If it wasn't for the tip would you be employed now in the nice location as near to home as you are?
I think not.
One good turn deserves another come on spill the beans to the others on here that it may be of use too.
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BTW thanks for the tip
I agree spill the beans on a one to one (And i have done to others). But to the whole of the www? thats my concern.
And as the jobs were 3 weeks ago now and i think they are stale prostpects now.
MJ
And as the jobs were 3 weeks ago now and i think they are stale prostpects now.
MJ
