FIs signing Revalidation

[Mickey Kaye]

This was introduced as a result of much work behind the scenes by the LAA to re-introduce authorisation for CAA Revalidation Examiners to sign EASA licences following withdrawal of these privileges at the introduction of EASA in September 2012.

And I think its great that this has come into effect. I and I think many others think iot would have been even better and easier if they had been given the same priviledges at examiners

[Captain Stravaigin]

R Examiners

So does this mean that a Revalidation Examiner regains his/her privileges?

[Yakovlevs]

Out of interest, do any of the examiners reading this charge for signing a re-validation?

Thanks

[MrAverage]

Those who struggle to make the equivalent of a minimum weekly wage are forced to make a small charge, if only to fund the four figure cost of the three yearly Examiner assessment of competence.

[mrmum]

I don't, but I've often had some payment from the person being revalidated, perhaps for the flight with the instructor, or I've taught them in the past. Having said that, I have done them for nothing for people who've just contacted me out of the blue.

However, as it becomes more expensive to be an examiner, maybe have to reconsider that?

[Broadlands]

From club members I expect a tea, for non club members the fee is £25 and I invoice the club £10.

[Yakovlevs]

Thanks for the feedback. We probably do circa 100 of them per year and don't charge. However, when they arrive without any of the paperwork and we have to use our paper and printer ink to do it for them it does irk somewhat. I'm considering whether we start to charge for the service and just wondered what an acceptable fee would be. By the sound of it £10 wouldn't be unreasonable.

[S-Works]

CAA guidance is that there is no charge for doing this administrative action on their behalf. Somewhat a bit of a cheek considering what they charge for their administrative action!!

I have historically abided by this but it as others experience it very frequent for the candidate to turn up and expect me to provide the paperwork and even post it for them!!

So I am also considering charging for it in the future.

[BusinessJet]

Hello, I have a question regarding the SEP Revalidation By Experience. Once you have completed the 12 hour requirement in the second year of the ratings validity, can you perform the 1 hour training flight with an instructor in your own aircraft? Your help is kindly appreciated! Many thanks.

[Mach Jump]

can you perform the 1 hour training flight with an instructor in your own aircraft?

Yes. (Assuming the aircraft is suitable for dual flight.)


MJ

[BusinessJet]

Thanks for that fast response. Yes, it's a regular C172!

[Level Attitude]

Let me add another couple of caveats to MJ's response:

1) Your aircraft does have to be in the SEP class
As you have now said that it is a C-172 that is covered.

2) An instructor ihas to be willing to be PIC in your aircraft.
Insurance (or lack of) is a common reason for refusal.
ie Aircraft not insured for training, or only insured for the owner to be PIC.

[MrAverage]

To further illustrate Level's second point, I was recently asked to fly with an owner in an Arrow III. The insurance contained a statement that only instructors who were current on type in the last 90 days would be covered.....

[OpenCirrus619]

Originally Posted by Level Attitude

Your aircraft does have to be in the SEP class

...or TMG (unless I'm missing something).

OC619

[TheOddOne]

ie Aircraft not insured for training, or only insured for the owner to be PIC.

I think all the policies for SEP a/c I've ever seen have a clause covering an instructor, as well as maintenance personnel, can't see what benefit financially there'd be in excluding instructional flight.

The problem comes when owners ask an instructor to ferry their a/c for them, this is NOT covered as above as when solo, one is not an instructor. I've been an additional named pilot on several a/c so that I can assist the owners. There has never been any difficulty or additional premium for this and it washes away any 'grey areas'.

TOO

[Mach Jump]

I think all the policies for SEP a/c I've ever seen have a clause covering an instructor

All policies used to include '...and any Flight Instructor' in the pilots covered.

Very few Policies include Instructors as a matter of course anymore.

When they do, the wording is usually as follows:

'...and any Flight Instructor, whilst giving instruction to any of the above named pilots.'

This means, as TOO says, that the Instructor is insured whilst actually giving instruction to one of the named pilots, but not whilst flying solo.

The mystery is that, although it may be thought that cost would be the reason for removing this clause from the standard wording of all but a few policies, most companies will re-insert it for you at no extra charge!

This begs the question; 'Why remove it in the first place?'

Maybe someone with Insurance connections can explain?


MJ

[Level Attitude]

Originally Posted by Level Attitude Your aircraft does have to be in the SEP class

...or TMG (unless I'm missing something).

OC619

I think you are:
To Renew an SEP rating 'by Experience' requires all 12 hours to have been in an SEP unless the pilot holds both a valid SEP and a valid TMG Rating - in which case the 12 hours could have been in either Class.

BusinessJet makes no mention of holding a TMG Rating, only referring to their SEP Rating and their C-172

[Level Attitude]

I think all the policies for SEP a/c I've ever seen have a clause covering an instructor

And I have seen quite a few which only insure the owner(s).

You are quite right that it is very easy to add an Instructor to a policy; but that does not help an aircraft owner who turns up expecting an hour's flight, as PIC, with (someone who just happens to be) an Instructor rather than a dual, training flight whereby the Instructor, not the owner, must be PIC.

[172510]

IN–2015/034
3.2 Therefore, with effect from 8 April 2015, whenever a Part-FCL aeroplane licence is re-issued by the CAA which includes a valid FI(A) or CRI, the instructor entry will be amended to include the FCL.945 privileges. A card explaining the Instructor privileges will also be included.

Mine was re-issued yesterday and I forgot to check before leaving the Paperwork Temple of Gatwick.
All my ratings are there but no card is included, and I could not see anywhere that FCL.945 privileges are granted to me.

[dobbin1]

It should look like this. It is just the FCL .945 entry.


I did not get any guidance material with it.