EASA Night Rating
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EASA Night Rating
Can the night rating training be done alongside the PPL training so that the rating can be applied for at the same time as the PPL?
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Yes
But, in my opinion, in general unless student is ready for Test at 35-38 hours not worth doing until after the Skills Test has been passed; which does mean min 50 hours (45 PPL then 5 Night). Will save the Night Rating application fee though.
Reason: I think last few hours of any student's training should be geared towards the test they are about to undergo.
But, in my opinion, in general unless student is ready for Test at 35-38 hours not worth doing until after the Skills Test has been passed; which does mean min 50 hours (45 PPL then 5 Night). Will save the Night Rating application fee though.
Reason: I think last few hours of any student's training should be geared towards the test they are about to undergo.
Can the night rating training be done alongside the PPL training so that the rating can be applied for at the same time as the PPL?
Which seems rather daft to me.
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Beagle,
What does included in the basic course mean?
For PPL it is 25hours Dual and 10hours Solo - the other 10 hours experience required could include the Night Rating requirements could they not?
What does included in the basic course mean?
For PPL it is 25hours Dual and 10hours Solo - the other 10 hours experience required could include the Night Rating requirements could they not?
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The answer is now "No" - it was discussed at a recent EASA meeting and the conclusion was that Night Rating training may not be included in the basic PPL course.
As you say Beagle seems a bit daft.
I can understand that it would not be part of the PPL training but surely the night training can be additional prior to licence application?
What does included in the basic course mean?
It was always the case before EASA that you could only count flight time towards one qualifiacation at a time.
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PPL & Night
Yes, just done it this month with someone.
But as has been said, can't use the hours twice, training hours for night rating needs to be in addition to those for PPL.
Also, it doesn't save the applicant the fee, even if a combined application is submitted, the CAA charge both fees.
But as has been said, can't use the hours twice, training hours for night rating needs to be in addition to those for PPL.
Also, it doesn't save the applicant the fee, even if a combined application is submitted, the CAA charge both fees.
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No, they may not. Night Rating training may not be included in the 'other 10', so we were told.
...the other 10 hours experience required could include the Night Rating requirements could they not?
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It was always the case before EASA that you could only count flight time towards one qualifiacation at a time.
LASORS 2010 Section C1
Training for a Night Qualification (Aeroplanes) may be completed and included within the 45 hours total flight time required for the JAR-FCL PPL(A), providing the minimum requirements at (a) and (b) have been met
a. 25 hours Dual Instruction on aeroplanes
b. 10 hours Supervised solo flight time on aeroplanes
Neither what has been discussed in a darkened room, nor what is written in an NPA counts. Current Regulations are written, unfortunately not always unambiguously, and neither Part-FCL nor CAP804 state that training for the Night Rating cannot be included in a PPL course - therefore it can, particularly as it always was.
Also, it doesn't save the applicant the fee, even if a combined application is submitted, the CAA charge both fees
Having read through FCL.210.A PPL(A) — Experience requirements and crediting and FCL.810 Night rating, it is quite clear that the Night Rating Course is a specific course at an ATO of at least 5 hours duration. The PPL experience requirement refers only to:
No mention of a 45 hour Course. Apart from the specified 25/10 hours there is nothing to prohibit the 5 hours night being included in the remaining 10 hours.
It matters not what the CAA or EASA or committees might think, an ATO is simply required to comply with the Regulation as it is written, nobody can make the requirement more stringent.
shall have completed at least 45 hours of flight instruction in aeroplanes
It matters not what the CAA or EASA or committees might think, an ATO is simply required to comply with the Regulation as it is written, nobody can make the requirement more stringent.
It matters not what Whopity might think.
His former employers are adamant that training for the night rating may not be included in the PPL course.
The 45 hours of training may only be PPL training, i.e. for the course of training for the PPL. The night rating is not part of this course of training, hence may not be included.
I tried to argue against this, but the CAA were adamant.
His former employers are adamant that training for the night rating may not be included in the PPL course.
The 45 hours of training may only be PPL training, i.e. for the course of training for the PPL. The night rating is not part of this course of training, hence may not be included.
I tried to argue against this, but the CAA were adamant.
bose-x, I fear that there's little chance of that, given that all the other NAAs at the meeting agreed with this frankly ridiculous decision.
It matters not what Whopity might think.