FI(R) without CPL?
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So once you have a CPL you can earn money by teaching the PPL?
Also i see in the States that they do a single engine CPLand a multi engine CPL? If you were to do a SINGLE ENGINE CPL would that still qualify you for the flight instructors course?
Also i see in the States that they do a single engine CPLand a multi engine CPL? If you were to do a SINGLE ENGINE CPL would that still qualify you for the flight instructors course?
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Can you actually make a living from being a flight instructor ?
Almost every PPL school in the country (certainly all the ones I have dealt with) keep their instructors on a self employed basis, effectively as contractors, so they only get paid when they fly. A typical hourly rate is about £20 per flying hour, and overall in the UK you'd be luck to average 40-50 hours a month, maybe 60 as a high average.
So you'll be earning around £1000-£1200 a month, if you're lucky, but that could be £300 one month and £2000 another, there's no consistency, and certainly no salary.
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Really??? That is a shame!! It would be a nice job but i suppose just not financially worthwhile. Is there any job you can get from getting a PPL, ATPL and CPL (maybe IR added in to that)? I know you would not have the amount of ratings the airlines require to hire people but is there anything else?
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I have been instructing on a ppl licence since 1999 and been paid all the hours, the old system allowed ppl's to become instructors. From memory I think you needed 400 hours to get on the instructor course and the CPL course at the time was only 150 hours
From my understanding it reverting back to this under EASA I maybe wrong though
From my understanding it reverting back to this under EASA I maybe wrong though
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Whether or not you can teach with a PPL is a legal question. Since I am not very familiar with the way things get done across the pond I can't answer that question.
What I can comment on as a long time instructor including completing many instructor ratings, is that the average fresh from the flight test CPL does, in general, not have a high enough level of flying skill to properly demonstrate any manoever and the first part of the course is invariably used to raise the students flying skills to an acceptable level.
I have never flown with a low hour PPL that was any near the skill level required to instruct. If you do intend to progress towards a flight instructor rating I would suggest it would be prudent to budget for a significant amount of addition dual to raise your skills to the necessary level.
Whether or not you can teach with a PPL is a legal question. Since I am not very familiar with the way things get done across the pond I can't answer that question.
What I can comment on as a long time instructor including completing many instructor ratings, is that the average fresh from the flight test CPL does, in general, not have a high enough level of flying skill to properly demonstrate any manoever and the first part of the course is invariably used to raise the students flying skills to an acceptable level.
I have never flown with a low hour PPL that was any near the skill level required to instruct. If you do intend to progress towards a flight instructor rating I would suggest it would be prudent to budget for a significant amount of addition dual to raise your skills to the necessary level.
the average fresh from the flight test CPL does, in general, not have a high enough level of flying skill to properly demonstrate any manoever
How many car drivers, lorry drivers or motorcycle riders pass their test and rush off to become instructors?
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Just a slight variance on the thread. My understanding is, If I complete a FI course without sitting the CPL written's I can only instruct for the LAPL. After a period of time, if I then subsequently pass the CPL written's can I then start instructing for the full PPL without any further training. Many thanks.
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After a period of time, if I then subsequently pass the CPL written's can I then start instructing for the full PPL without any further training
This suggests that if you subsequently pass the CPL written, you don't need additional training, but you do need to re-apply for the FI(A) certificate.
Check with your national authority!
From the way FCL.915.FI is worded, it does appear so, but it is not crystal clear. It says that when you apply for an FI(A) as a PPL(A), you should meet "the requirements for CPL theoretical knowledge, except for an FI(A) providing training for the LAPL(A) only".
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How will the CAA, make sure that PPL holder without cpl knowledge and a FI Rating only instruct towards/for the LAPL. Where is the cutoff point going to be in the syllabus. Because you can do all the traing with a DVLA medical and then just before the test change over to a class 2 or LAPL medical.
How will the CAA, make sure that PPL holder without cpl knowledge and a FI Rating only instruct towards/for the LAPL
