Nine exams for the PPL
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Does anyone definitively know whether exams passed under the current system will still be valid for 24 months from "The successful completion of the theoretical knowledge examinations".
e.g. If someone passes the last exam, under the current system, on 31st August 2013 they will be OK - as long as they complete their PPL by 30th August 2015?
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e.g. If someone passes the last exam, under the current system, on 31st August 2013 they will be OK - as long as they complete their PPL by 30th August 2015?
Thanks
OC619
Last edited by OpenCirrus619; 16th May 2013 at 12:44.
Yes.
Only the new exams may be taken after 31 Aug; however, unless you have passed both Navigation and Flight Performance & Planning before 1 Sep, you will have to take them again. This is because certain syllabus items have been moved from one exam to the other - there's nothing new in the actual syllabus content. All other passes of the old exams will remain valid for the normal time period.
It seems that the new 9 exams include a total of 172 questions - so the CAA has gold-plated the EASA requirement to the tune of an extra 43.3%....
Only the new exams may be taken after 31 Aug; however, unless you have passed both Navigation and Flight Performance & Planning before 1 Sep, you will have to take them again. This is because certain syllabus items have been moved from one exam to the other - there's nothing new in the actual syllabus content. All other passes of the old exams will remain valid for the normal time period.
It seems that the new 9 exams include a total of 172 questions - so the CAA has gold-plated the EASA requirement to the tune of an extra 43.3%....
BEagle - do the CAA even listen to "corporates" like AOPA?
If sufficient members, who are privy to sight of the PPL exams, have concerns at their content and relevance, we will certainly be taking up the cudgels!
We're collaborating at the highest levels; however, the 'exam people' seem to be living in a world of their own
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Agree with G RICH - the 10 sittings rule is going to throw up obvious problems, and some of the nav questions are simply ridiculous at PPL level. Who on earth at the CAA is overseeing or monitoring this exam process? None of it bears any relevance or enhances training at the private pilot level. If the CAA is only going to deal with 'corporate bodies' then AOPA needs to get a very public grip on this, and soon!
....some of the nav questions are simply ridiculous at PPL level. Who on earth at the CAA is overseeing or monitoring this exam process? None of it bears any relevance or enhances training at the private pilot level. If the CAA is only going to deal with 'corporate bodies' then AOPA needs to get a very public grip on this, and soon!
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So 100 hours of theoretical training?
At the average of £20 per hour for an instructor that's another 2k for the student. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick and they simply have to keep a personal log or something?
Bit OTT as I and many others just self studied then took the exams.
Why the limit on sittings I'll never know! It's a PPL! Who cares if a student does one at a time??
At the average of £20 per hour for an instructor that's another 2k for the student. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick and they simply have to keep a personal log or something?
Bit OTT as I and many others just self studied then took the exams.
Why the limit on sittings I'll never know! It's a PPL! Who cares if a student does one at a time??
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The 100hrs can be self directed study. I have started pointing students at the online training courses as these easily meet the study time requirements.
100hrs over 9 exams in reality is probably what most people will self study.
I don't see this as a problem.
100hrs over 9 exams in reality is probably what most people will self study.
I don't see this as a problem.
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bose-x,
How does the student (or FTO) prove that 100 hours have been done.
Just passing the exam obviously doesn't count!
(thinking that I could self-study one page of Trevor T while watching a film, and no-one is the wiser. That's 90-mins in my logbook - do I need a training logbook?)
Of course, my FTO might insist on properly logged "face time" - it would earn them some cash, and I cannot do the ground school/exams elsewhere?
How does the student (or FTO) prove that 100 hours have been done.
Just passing the exam obviously doesn't count!
(thinking that I could self-study one page of Trevor T while watching a film, and no-one is the wiser. That's 90-mins in my logbook - do I need a training logbook?)
Of course, my FTO might insist on properly logged "face time" - it would earn them some cash, and I cannot do the ground school/exams elsewhere?
Wow...
"Imagine how unsafe..."
In FAA-land 1 test for private, 1 test for IFR, 1 test for commercial, and 1 test for ATP. Think how unsafe all those N-registered 7X7 products must be with only "four-tested" pilots guiding them all over the world! Yikes.
Terry
In FAA-land 1 test for private, 1 test for IFR, 1 test for commercial, and 1 test for ATP. Think how unsafe all those N-registered 7X7 products must be with only "four-tested" pilots guiding them all over the world! Yikes.
Terry
How does the student (or FTO) prove that 100 hours have been done.
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Anything could be written in the student records.
I propose to give up instructing, would be a lot safer, no responsiblities, no licences to revalid, no seminars, flight tests, no medicals, no u/s aircraft to deal with, no crap weather, no rent, no rates,no leci bills.
I could rent a room at a local flying school, school or college, charge £20 hour doing just ground school. Student keeps receipts and thats proof the ground school has been done!
Would make more money than i do now working 6 day week for minimum wage running my own flying school.
I propose to give up instructing, would be a lot safer, no responsiblities, no licences to revalid, no seminars, flight tests, no medicals, no u/s aircraft to deal with, no crap weather, no rent, no rates,no leci bills.
I could rent a room at a local flying school, school or college, charge £20 hour doing just ground school. Student keeps receipts and thats proof the ground school has been done!
Would make more money than i do now working 6 day week for minimum wage running my own flying school.
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BEB,
Have some ambition.
Go to your local college. Draw up a syllabus. Then offer it as a college course.
Staff job, long holidays, bank holidays, subsidised canteen, "in service days" so you can can keep up with EASA's latest (maybe that should be "in service months", and then a pension at the end of it!
Have some ambition.
Go to your local college. Draw up a syllabus. Then offer it as a college course.
Staff job, long holidays, bank holidays, subsidised canteen, "in service days" so you can can keep up with EASA's latest (maybe that should be "in service months", and then a pension at the end of it!
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How does the student (or FTO) prove that 100 hours have been done.
take the exams. This would of course mean that no exams can be taken until
all the ground training is completed.
A candidate can take any exam, at any time*, if they have learnt the subject
and been recommended by their ATO
* = Taking in to account the 18 month and six sittings requirement
FCL.025 Theoretical knowledge examinations for the issue of licences
(2) Applicants shall only take the examination when recommended by the approved
training organisation (ATO) responsible for their training, once they have completed
the appropriate elements of the training course of theoretical knowledge instruction
to a satisfactory standard.
(2) Applicants shall only take the examination when recommended by the approved
training organisation (ATO) responsible for their training, once they have completed
the appropriate elements of the training course of theoretical knowledge instruction
to a satisfactory standard.
AMC1 FCL.025 Theoretical knowledge examinations for the issue of licences
TERMINOLOGY
The meaning of the following terms used in FCL.025 should be as follows:
(b) ‘Examination’: the demonstration of knowledge in one or more examination papers
TERMINOLOGY
The meaning of the following terms used in FCL.025 should be as follows:
(b) ‘Examination’: the demonstration of knowledge in one or more examination papers
have received 100 hours of theoretical instruction but there is no minimum
hours laid down before they can take one, or all, of the written exams.
I don't think ATPL candidates would be very pleased if they had to have
received all their required hours of theoretical instruction before they
were allowed to take their first/first group of exams (isn't this where
the idea of, a limited number of, exam sittings comes from?)