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Hi all,
I did find an answer using the search but these threads were a few years old and I thought with EASA things might have changed.
For a license issue, in my case CPL, does my logbook need to be signed? The reason I ask is I've switched logbooks due to my other one becoming an absolute mess I wouldn't want any employer/authority to see. Plus a lot of the hours didn't add up.
If I was to send only my new logbook (which has all of my flights transferred into) but without any signatures is will the CAA accept this as long as I sign it? I still have my PPL and CPL pass sheets which has the examiners signature on and so does my CPL application form.
Any issues here?
Thanks.
I did find an answer using the search but these threads were a few years old and I thought with EASA things might have changed.
For a license issue, in my case CPL, does my logbook need to be signed? The reason I ask is I've switched logbooks due to my other one becoming an absolute mess I wouldn't want any employer/authority to see. Plus a lot of the hours didn't add up.
If I was to send only my new logbook (which has all of my flights transferred into) but without any signatures is will the CAA accept this as long as I sign it? I still have my PPL and CPL pass sheets which has the examiners signature on and so does my CPL application form.
Any issues here?
Thanks.
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Usually the school where you did your training, typically head of training, will sign the logbook to certify that the hours are correct. As long as you could go back and get this done, I wouldn't see any issue with no examiner signature.
My first logbook was a bit of a mess, the CAA didn't seem to have any issue, and my employer didn't even look at it (I'm now on my fourth logbook).
My first logbook was a bit of a mess, the CAA didn't seem to have any issue, and my employer didn't even look at it (I'm now on my fourth logbook).
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You are pulling our legs? You swapped log books because it was not pretty? Really?
I am 7 logbooks in and none of them are pretty. As an employer, I don't give a toss what your logbook looks like as long as its honest. I would be suspicious if presented with a neat prissy logbook.....
I am 7 logbooks in and none of them are pretty. As an employer, I don't give a toss what your logbook looks like as long as its honest. I would be suspicious if presented with a neat prissy logbook.....
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The reason I ask is I've switched logbooks due to my other one becoming an absolute mess I wouldn't want any employer/authority to see. Plus a lot of the hours didn't add up.
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Why does a neat logbook make you suspicious?
A messy logbook is a sign that is was completed over a long period of time, often in different pens, even with different styles or writing depending on what you were resting on when you wrote it and whether you were copying from another sheet of paper or from a computer screen.
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I recall going for an airline interview, one of the interviewers picked up my first logbook, which by this time had got water stained and even a little mould on it, when i apologised for its condition he sniffed it, smiled and said "AH, experience" - I got the job BTW.
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I don't know some pilots keep prestine log books and haven't fiddled them.
Although there does seem to be a link with hairy arsed operators and log book condition.
Must admit though nobody has looked at my log books in 8 years now. Its also in the Bio hazard cat and currently is stopping the desk in my hotel room from rocking.
Although there does seem to be a link with hairy arsed operators and log book condition.
Must admit though nobody has looked at my log books in 8 years now. Its also in the Bio hazard cat and currently is stopping the desk in my hotel room from rocking.
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Well, seeing as the CAA wrote to me saying my logbook was a mess, I decided to switch to an electronic one.
I assume people don't care about electronic ones though? After all that could be all made up in one night (serious question).
I assume people don't care about electronic ones though? After all that could be all made up in one night (serious question).
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What on earth did you do to your logbook that warranted comment from the caa?
My first one probably had tipp ex on every other page, the scrawled writing of an impatient teenager, and a can of red bull had exploded in my flight bag meaning the last third was unusable and had pages stuck together. I hadn't reached that part yet, so just used as much as I could then got another one. This has never had any comment from the caa, any examiner or any employer. Yours must really be a state.
Many people use electronic, and it is much easier. You would need to sign each individual page you are submitting, but no-one would say because its electronic its automatically fraudulent. If anything, the adding up would be sound, which is probably more than the average hand written logbook.
My first one probably had tipp ex on every other page, the scrawled writing of an impatient teenager, and a can of red bull had exploded in my flight bag meaning the last third was unusable and had pages stuck together. I hadn't reached that part yet, so just used as much as I could then got another one. This has never had any comment from the caa, any examiner or any employer. Yours must really be a state.
Many people use electronic, and it is much easier. You would need to sign each individual page you are submitting, but no-one would say because its electronic its automatically fraudulent. If anything, the adding up would be sound, which is probably more than the average hand written logbook.
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I know of a guy in my club on to his seventh as he made a couple of mistakes and wanted his logbook to look pretty. The most hilarious part is that he has 70 hours! I don't think most people care so long as its honest. Mine is a mess, but all of the hours are true and that's what matters.
