ME/IR Instructing
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Thus, there is no such thing as an ME FI (I'm nitpicking a little bit, I know)
So the general conclusion is that the CAA have decided NOT to follow any standard licence format when it comes to an individuals licence/privileges.
So the general conclusion is that the CAA have decided NOT to follow any standard licence format when it comes to an individuals licence/privileges.
As a Flight Instructor qualified to instruct for both the IR and MEP, I do not wish to be constrained by the limitations of either the IRI or CRI rating.
The licence format is largely determined by the codes that have been programmed into the computer, they have a limited selection and they have changed from time to time. Most CRI ratings state "Only in accordance with JAR-FCL 1.330" but; JAR-FCL 1.330 has nothing to do with the CRI rating!
As BillieBob says the privileges of the FI to teach ME are clearly laid down in JAR-FCL 1.330 and Part FCL, so there is no need whatsoever to refer to the CRI rating.
As BillieBob says the privileges of the FI to teach ME are clearly laid down in JAR-FCL 1.330 and Part FCL, so there is no need whatsoever to refer to the CRI rating.
Personally I think the hours requirement for MEP and IRI instruction are too low, and the requirement to pay for additional qualifications to teach IFR and MEP is wrong. It results in too many hours-building IRI and MEP instructors at FTOs, and excludes instructors who have genuine experience to pass on but who don't see any economic benefit in paying for additional qualifications in return for a very low salary.
I have about 1000hours MEP, just about all of it single-pilot IFR. I have FI but salaries for IRI and MEP instructors are just not enough to make it worth paying for the IRI and CRI qualifications.
I have about 1000hours MEP, just about all of it single-pilot IFR. I have FI but salaries for IRI and MEP instructors are just not enough to make it worth paying for the IRI and CRI qualifications.
So if your 1000 hours ME were on turbines, you'd be quite happy to pay for 30 hours on a MEP to be able to teach on it? But; you have already said its not worth qualifying because there is no money in it! So on what safety grounds would you justify extra hours? It seems you just want to improve the odds in your favour.
I don't understand your question. Where did I mention having any MET hours? I actually have none at all -only MEP and MEJ.
My point is that there are indeed plenty of us with lots of MEP and IRMESP hours but the MEP/CRI instructor employment market is still devalued towards inexperienced pilots who think that it is economically advantageous to invest in obtaining CRI/IRI qualifications to build hours for long-term employment prospects, without having any real MEP IRSP experience to pass on to students.
My point is that there are indeed plenty of us with lots of MEP and IRMESP hours but the MEP/CRI instructor employment market is still devalued towards inexperienced pilots who think that it is economically advantageous to invest in obtaining CRI/IRI qualifications to build hours for long-term employment prospects, without having any real MEP IRSP experience to pass on to students.
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With nearly 9000 hours worldwide experience 3000+ instructional hours including Integrated and IR instruction, several jet types and one turbine I have been told by one very well respected FTO that I do not have the required experience to teach MEP/IR. Mind boggles. And the CAA insist I build MEP hours even though more levers in King air than DA 42.!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring back B rating.
Bring back B rating.
notlikethat - agreed.
Also, FI(A)s should not have to do CRI and IRI courses if they have substantial experience flying IFR on type. I used to be a factory pilot for a light twin manufacturer, but in order to instruct on it I have to pay for a course and exam, which I find irksome. I've looked into the costs of doing this, but it just does not make economic sense because salaries and job security are so poor at most FTOs.
There still seems to be too many young instructors about who are prepared to take out huge loans to pay for 30 hours of MEP, CRI and IRI courses in order to hours-build until they can get an airline job to pay off the loans.
The instructor qualification requirements should be re-structured to make instructing a more attractive career for pilots with genuine experience to pass on, rather than being a job for hours-builders with deep pockets.
Also, FI(A)s should not have to do CRI and IRI courses if they have substantial experience flying IFR on type. I used to be a factory pilot for a light twin manufacturer, but in order to instruct on it I have to pay for a course and exam, which I find irksome. I've looked into the costs of doing this, but it just does not make economic sense because salaries and job security are so poor at most FTOs.
There still seems to be too many young instructors about who are prepared to take out huge loans to pay for 30 hours of MEP, CRI and IRI courses in order to hours-build until they can get an airline job to pay off the loans.
The instructor qualification requirements should be re-structured to make instructing a more attractive career for pilots with genuine experience to pass on, rather than being a job for hours-builders with deep pockets.
Last edited by Trim Stab; 22nd Jul 2012 at 08:41.
In both JAAspeak and EASAspeak Multi Engine Turbine covers both turbojet and turboprop. In neither standard is MEJ referred to. Does that help you to understand Whopity's perfectly reasonable question?
I still don't understand his hypothetical question! MET, MEJ are irrelevant here.
As I said, I have about 1000 hours MEP mostly as a factory pilot, but I still have to pay for a course instructed by somebody with considerably less time on and knowledge of the aircraft in order to instruct on it.
As I said, I have about 1000 hours MEP mostly as a factory pilot, but I still have to pay for a course instructed by somebody with considerably less time on and knowledge of the aircraft in order to instruct on it.
Trim Stab, do you not understand that, to instruct, you need to have passed an instructor course?
IRIs will soon be hard to source; however, the demand for MEP instruction will progressively reduce as more and more airlines move to the MPL.
IRIs will soon be hard to source; however, the demand for MEP instruction will progressively reduce as more and more airlines move to the MPL.
the demand for MEP instruction will progressively reduce as more and more airlines move to the MPL.
(j) an MPL, provided that the FI:
(2) for the basic phase of the training:
(i) holds a multi-engine aeroplane IR and the privilege to instruct for an IR;
(2) for the basic phase of the training:
(i) holds a multi-engine aeroplane IR and the privilege to instruct for an IR;
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I have a CPL with IR FI and CRI Ratings, I did plan on doing the IRI Course a couple of years ago but couldn’t due to family issues. I’m sure I read somewhere that the IRI Course will soon no longer exist, is that correct or did I imagine it…? And if it is being discontinued when will it happen…?
Many thanks in advance…
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Many thanks in advance…
TNB
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which in turn requires a CRI(ME) qualification.
And if it is being discontinued when will it happen…?
the only applicable course will then be the full IRI course.
FCL.930.IRI IRI — Training course
(3) (i) for the IRI(A), at least 10 hours of flight instruction on an aeroplane, FFS, FTD 2/3 or FPNT II. In the case of applicants holding an FI(A) certificate, these hours are reduced to 5;
(3) (i) for the IRI(A), at least 10 hours of flight instruction on an aeroplane, FFS, FTD 2/3 or FPNT II. In the case of applicants holding an FI(A) certificate, these hours are reduced to 5;
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Part FCL suggests that an FI can teach for the IR if he or she holds an IR, has 200 hrs of IFR time and has completed an IRI course.
Did the CAA still state that from November 2012 there will be only tr IRI prerequisits allowed?
Did the CAA still state that from November 2012 there will be only tr IRI prerequisits allowed?
Did the CAA still state that from November 2012 there will be only tr IRI prerequisits allowed?
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