UAS Hours counting towards PPL
Hours already flown can't be salvaged, but for the future what is there to stop any UAS declaring itself a DTO ( if any of its QFI's have an appropriate civilian qualification). Its a fairly small cost and perhaps the students could share the cost between themselves to make their hours loggable.
Not sure what Training Command would think of the plan however!
Not sure what Training Command would think of the plan however!
Even if a UAS attempted to become a DTO, it would need to deliver a recognised Part-FCL LAPL or PPL course in accordance with a CAA-validated training manual.
The idea is rather a non-starter.
If there's someone prepared to make the effort, try investigating the possibility of the CAA adopting a 'modular LAPL' course under Regulation (EU) 2019/430, tailored to UAS flying training.
The idea is rather a non-starter.
If there's someone prepared to make the effort, try investigating the possibility of the CAA adopting a 'modular LAPL' course under Regulation (EU) 2019/430, tailored to UAS flying training.
Its been a while, so to be honest I don't know what the current UAS syllabus includes. I have been told it is less comprehensive than it once was. Honest question, what is required for either the LAPL or PPL that is not taught on a UAS. My recollection is that years ago the only item missing was the solo landaway, and since all of the syllabi have changed since then....
Ideal solution would be for the RAF to submit the UAS training manual to the CAA for approval. As you say thats unlikely to happen but realistically what is in the AFE/Pooleys books that a UAS does not cover these days?
Ideal solution would be for the RAF to submit the UAS training manual to the CAA for approval. As you say thats unlikely to happen but realistically what is in the AFE/Pooleys books that a UAS does not cover these days?
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After 40 years in aviation and 30 odd instructing, 20 as PPL examiner, i'm just about fed up of flying and all the ridiculous requirements the authorities come up with.
What a complete mess with various licences, medicals, total disregard for any previous experience.
I have a chap at the moment with some 15 hours experience with UAS, but for now i have said let's complete the PPL syllabus and then find out what the latest is regards his experience and then make up the short fall. Even if it's just supervised solo.
What a complete mess with various licences, medicals, total disregard for any previous experience.
I have a chap at the moment with some 15 hours experience with UAS, but for now i have said let's complete the PPL syllabus and then find out what the latest is regards his experience and then make up the short fall. Even if it's just supervised solo.
After 40 years in aviation and 30 odd instructing, 20 as PPL examiner, i'm just about fed up of flying and all the ridiculous requirements the authorities come up with.
What a complete mess with various licences, medicals, total disregard for any previous experience.
I have a chap at the moment with some 15 hours experience with UAS, but for now i have said let's complete the PPL syllabus and then find out what the latest is regards his experience and then make up the short fall. Even if it's just supervised solo.
What a complete mess with various licences, medicals, total disregard for any previous experience.
I have a chap at the moment with some 15 hours experience with UAS, but for now i have said let's complete the PPL syllabus and then find out what the latest is regards his experience and then make up the short fall. Even if it's just supervised solo.
Sorry, but you're blaming the wrong people! NOT the CAA, it was the RAF, more specifically 22Trg Gp, who totally failed to ensure that UAS or EFT flying could be counted towards a Part-FCL licence.
At one point I was told by someone from their squirearchy that "22Gp have no knowledge of UAS training" - and on another "We can't support allowing UAS training towards a Part-FCL licence, because the instructors don't meet EASA requirements....".
With lunatics like that running the asylum of UAS/EFT these days, there's not much likelihood of any improvement without a lot of staff work, which no-one seems to think is worth pursuing these days.
I was at a CAA/EASA/industry meeting many years ago at Gatwick and asked the question "Will current military credits continue as they are under EASA?". The EASA lady assured us all that they would and the Head of Licensing nodded sagely.
But that didn't happen - because the RAF failed to make an adequate case. When their abject failure came to light, they even wrote an Internal Briefing Note telling people not to comment on the matter on social media.... Fat chance of that!
At one point I was told by someone from their squirearchy that "22Gp have no knowledge of UAS training" - and on another "We can't support allowing UAS training towards a Part-FCL licence, because the instructors don't meet EASA requirements....".
With lunatics like that running the asylum of UAS/EFT these days, there's not much likelihood of any improvement without a lot of staff work, which no-one seems to think is worth pursuing these days.
I was at a CAA/EASA/industry meeting many years ago at Gatwick and asked the question "Will current military credits continue as they are under EASA?". The EASA lady assured us all that they would and the Head of Licensing nodded sagely.
But that didn't happen - because the RAF failed to make an adequate case. When their abject failure came to light, they even wrote an Internal Briefing Note telling people not to comment on the matter on social media.... Fat chance of that!
Sorry, but you're blaming the wrong people! NOT the CAA, it was the RAF, more specifically 22Trg Gp, who totally failed to ensure that UAS or EFT flying could be counted towards a Part-FCL licence.
At one point I was told by someone from their squirearchy that "22Gp have no knowledge of UAS training" - and on another "We can't support allowing UAS training towards a Part-FCL licence, because the instructors don't meet EASA requirements....".
With lunatics like that running the asylum of UAS/EFT these days, there's not much likelihood of any improvement without a lot of staff work, which no-one seems to think is worth pursuing these days.
I was at a CAA/EASA/industry meeting many years ago at Gatwick and asked the question "Will current military credits continue as they are under EASA?". The EASA lady assured us all that they would and the Head of Licensing nodded sagely.
But that didn't happen - because the RAF failed to make an adequate case. When their abject failure came to light, they even wrote an Internal Briefing Note telling people not to comment on the matter on social media.... Fat chance of that!
At one point I was told by someone from their squirearchy that "22Gp have no knowledge of UAS training" - and on another "We can't support allowing UAS training towards a Part-FCL licence, because the instructors don't meet EASA requirements....".
With lunatics like that running the asylum of UAS/EFT these days, there's not much likelihood of any improvement without a lot of staff work, which no-one seems to think is worth pursuing these days.
I was at a CAA/EASA/industry meeting many years ago at Gatwick and asked the question "Will current military credits continue as they are under EASA?". The EASA lady assured us all that they would and the Head of Licensing nodded sagely.
But that didn't happen - because the RAF failed to make an adequate case. When their abject failure came to light, they even wrote an Internal Briefing Note telling people not to comment on the matter on social media.... Fat chance of that!
Beagle I bow to your extra knowledge in this area. Nevertheless it is very frustrating and unfair particularly for cash strapped kids leaving uni who could do with financial assistance. I am not saying my son is Chuck Yeager but he did well through his ppl but as his instructor said “I wish everyone started with 95 hours!”
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I completely agree with you Bob. My son flew 95 hours UAS. His hours count for nothing towards a civilian licence. It is truly Alice in Wonderland stuff rubber stamped by half baked bureaucracy underpinned by a disinterested and useless regulator that pays its chief exec 800k per year. A minister for Aviation equally unacquainted with flying and in line with most of her political colleagues in terms of lack of competence. There you go.
I gave him the fatal advice to ask the CAA via email, what might be allowed, get it n black and white.
He had no reply from the CAA, so he phoned to be told they had one person dealing with 500 emails.
They couldn't give him an answer.
And now I have student from 6 odd years ago, almost finished his PPL, but stopped.
Why ever did you feel the need to contact the CAA? Your CFI / HoT should know this stuff!
He had no reply from the CAA,
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UAS to LAPL/PPL - it can be done!
Hi AOJM,
I just wondered whether you had received the full info you needed?
I am an instructor based at Denham and recently completed the training for twin sons both recent UAS members (OUAS and CUAS). Both utilised their max allowed military hours and received their LAPL licenses from the CAA last month. We have put together some documentation to help other similar ex UAS pilots fulfil their dreams of achieving a civilian pilots license (PPL or LAPL)
Do let me know if you would like any more help or advice!
Happy flying
I just wondered whether you had received the full info you needed?
I am an instructor based at Denham and recently completed the training for twin sons both recent UAS members (OUAS and CUAS). Both utilised their max allowed military hours and received their LAPL licenses from the CAA last month. We have put together some documentation to help other similar ex UAS pilots fulfil their dreams of achieving a civilian pilots license (PPL or LAPL)
Do let me know if you would like any more help or advice!
Happy flying
