Should Instructors recieve les then minimum wage?
Should Instructors recieve les then minimum wage?
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Er have I missed something?
Surely the legal minimum wage is just that, the legal minimum that can be payed. End of story.
If somone is paying less then perhpas they also would not mind flights below minima...
If somone is paying less then perhpas they also would not mind flights below minima...
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Next Topic could be:
Would you want to learn to fly with an instructor who writes three misspellings in the topic title:
"Should Instructors recieve les then minimum wage?"
"Should Instructors recieve les then minimum wage?"
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They spent a lot of money getting there, so at least replenish that in the wages. If lesson prices are expensive, TOUGH BLEEDIN COOKIE. Nothing cheap and easy in this world.
Save up, get a loan or beg relatives for flying lessons. The instructors should be on at least minimum wage and no less.
Dan
Save up, get a loan or beg relatives for flying lessons. The instructors should be on at least minimum wage and no less.
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Given that flight instruction is arround £135 an hour in the UK at present would any one notice an extra £2.50 per hour.
After all if you pay peanuts you get monkeys!!!
After all if you pay peanuts you get monkeys!!!
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Hey Grunter! Its a simple bloody question mate. What it ammounts to is does the aviation industry deserve to treat their bread and butter as if they are not deserving of the minimum acceptable pay just becuase its expensive to met the bottom line? In any other industry the business would stop operating. So it dosent matter how many typo's there are in the question or how "idiotic" it sounds its an ugly fact of life that puts real people out of their homes and in serious financial strife.
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It should be illegal - and possibly is - for them to be paid less than minimum wage. But as for instructors' pay in general, this is down to supply and demand. While people are prepared to instruct for low wages, the wages will stay low. And people are prepared to instruct for low wages because they're hourbuilding and it's better than paying to fly, and/or because they love it.
If all instructors who complained about the pay went and got other better paid jobs there'd be a shortage of FIs, and wages would go up (so would prices to learn to fly). But they won't do that, for the reasons stated above. It's very simple.
If all instructors who complained about the pay went and got other better paid jobs there'd be a shortage of FIs, and wages would go up (so would prices to learn to fly). But they won't do that, for the reasons stated above. It's very simple.
Why have you now opened 3 separate threads on the same topic?
Didn't you understand the replies to your first thread - or didn't you like them?
Didn't you understand the replies to your first thread - or didn't you like them?
My former employer used to pay me minimum wage, based on working 8 til 6 4 days per week. For that I was expected to fly between circa 30 hours and 50 hours per month (seasonal variation) before I started earning "flight pay". In return we were expected to be on the company premises "working" for the duration of our working day come wind, rain, hurricanes etc.
Worked well for me because I could count on getting a stable salary every month in winter and summer, and occasionally could earn a bit extra. Drawbacks were mainly in deep winter when you would be faced with 10 very bored FIs with nothing to do sitting around for 10 hours, sometimes for 2 weeks at a time.
The company believed they were compelled to do this by the minimum wage leglislation, felt they were doing the right thing by their staff and expected all other flying schools to act in a similar manner. Sadly I think we were just one of a handful of schools who enacted the leglislation. As a result there was a badly handled attempt at redundancies and now everyone joining is on flight pay only.
Until PPL FIs are prepared to unite and withdraw their services there will never be decent pay in this side of the industry. But there is a ready supply of new FIs who are desperate to get the hours, who will work for a pittance and who would undermine any attempt at fair pay (look at how many pay for a type rating now).
Worked well for me because I could count on getting a stable salary every month in winter and summer, and occasionally could earn a bit extra. Drawbacks were mainly in deep winter when you would be faced with 10 very bored FIs with nothing to do sitting around for 10 hours, sometimes for 2 weeks at a time.
The company believed they were compelled to do this by the minimum wage leglislation, felt they were doing the right thing by their staff and expected all other flying schools to act in a similar manner. Sadly I think we were just one of a handful of schools who enacted the leglislation. As a result there was a badly handled attempt at redundancies and now everyone joining is on flight pay only.
Until PPL FIs are prepared to unite and withdraw their services there will never be decent pay in this side of the industry. But there is a ready supply of new FIs who are desperate to get the hours, who will work for a pittance and who would undermine any attempt at fair pay (look at how many pay for a type rating now).
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No body should be paid a set minimum or maximum wage. You get what you are worth and what market forces dictate. Whilst there is a glut of wannabe airline pilots falling over themselves to do anything to fly, there will never be a high wage for instructors. One has to question the judgement of people who spend a small fortune getting themselves qualified to join an industry that they know before they start is over subscribed, and then to whinge about the poor pay and job opportunities, especially when those same people have moved heaven and earth themselves to get cheap hours building and cheap instruction themselves. Such hypocrisy is breathtaking. You do not have to instruct, especially if you are only doing it reluctantly. Go an get another job that pays well and come back to flying when there are some jobs and stop filling the pages of pprune wit the incessant carping about how hard done by you are.
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And if ludwig comes back saying he's anm airline pilot with 15 years instructional time behind him, then you will be the big headed fool.
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(and VFR...how old are you?)
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Venting your invective at me dear chap will not change the economics of the situation. I am sorry if I appear to have hit a nerve, but clearly you identify with the whinging contingent, and: before you begin childish name-calling and accusations, you should ensure you know all the facts about those in the firing-line of your ire.
Btw, I assume you have run a flying school or any other business and fully understand all the economics given the strength of your opinion?
Btw, I assume you have run a flying school or any other business and fully understand all the economics given the strength of your opinion?
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Might I refer let-me-fly and the others currently slating Ludwig to the thread started by shower of sparks concerning the attitude of a great deal of instructors - maybe some of their questions will be answered, particularly by whirlybird's wise thoughts.
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