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VIKING9 4th Jan 2012 01:46

As I mentioned before, the message I received was on 22nd December 2011.

CAAC do make allowances and take each application on a case by case basis but in general, it seems these days they are less likely to approve.

Keep us posted on if you get approval.

BTW - someone mentioned not overflying North Korea. Any reasons ??

Masif Eego 4th Jan 2012 08:15

Hey V1,

Have done quite a number of ferries similar to the one you're about to embark on....from B200's, DHC-8's and a couple of ATR's over a 15 year period. Last one was 6 weeks ago, and have never had a problem with Chinese clearances.

Remember to keep your request polite and non demanding, the chinese will go out of their way to help you out. Demand entry, and they'll tell you to go jump, or ignore you....Make sure you oversee the application and ensure all the details are included in the format listed in their AIP. They'll remember you if there's a next time..!!!

Another thing, and with all due respect to other posters here, don't believe the naysayers here, most of it is BS...many have successfully ferried acft through that region before you.

VIKING9 4th Jan 2012 08:20

Masif, thanks for the info. What I posted is not BS. I just passed on the message received from CAAC before Xmas.

Happy New Year to all.

Masif Eego 4th Jan 2012 08:27

Oh, forgot to add V1,

It'll be some of the best flying you'll ever do......:ok:

VIKING9 4th Jan 2012 08:43

that is true Masif, I have done it but in jets and very big ones at that :ok:

bravopapa 6th Jan 2012 09:40

For UHMA you may want to check immigration/customs requirements. If I recall correctly this airport is quite hard to use because of some special immigration/customs procedures.

URRVCTR 10th Jan 2012 10:58

Hello!
Nice trip, but I'd like to add some comments.
I think it's really hard to get North Korea overflight permission as well as South Korea.
Which fuel Your aircraft flies? If avgas, I'm not sure mentioned airport have it.
I can link information from AIP, if You need.

V1... Ooops 10th Jan 2012 23:27

Hello URRVCTR:

The aircraft uses jet fuel (TS-1 or similar), so I am OK there.

Thank you for your kind offer of information from the AIP - however, I already have the Russian AIP (all 4,000+ pages of it!).

I am quite looking forward to this trip and hope to get going on it soon. Just waiting for all the crew visas to arrive.

Michael

V1... Ooops 1st Feb 2012 06:58

Hello Everyone:

I became involved in a discussion about this flight that was taking place on a Canadian aviation discussion forum (click here to go to it), and I have posted an account of my flight, hotel details, how it went, and all the information I think would be useful to others who might make such a trip in the future at that site.

Thanks to all of you (especially Galaxy Flyer) for your invaluable advice. It turned out to be a very pleasant and trouble-free trip.

Michael

galaxy flyer 1st Feb 2012 20:35

V1..Oops,

Very happy to have been able to help with the suggestion on routing. Your postings on AvCanada were most helpful and interesting.

Cheers,

Mike aka the Galaxy Flyer

acmi48 3rd Feb 2012 11:37

Wait until spring before you go, winds should be kinder

V1... Ooops 6th Feb 2012 09:13

If only I could... :)

Michael


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