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kirstybird 14th Apr 2010 11:26

Banging one's head against a brick wall
 
Waving tug boy, do some research. You really do not seem to understand what any of this is about. How can this be rape? By whom and when.

In the eyes of the law and physically I am female. To put this one to rest, I have now told my boyfriend. He was shocked but has accepted it, after all everything looks right and I am still the same person that he was first attracted to.

As to the Gentleman in the USA who told me so delicately to cut the effin crap. To me none of this is crap, it is a very real situation. I provided a taste of what I had been through and what was involved, not to gain symphathy, but merely to illustrate that this is not something undertaken lightly. You don't become a woman merely by putting on a frock. I made my choice, I am quite happy to live with that side of things.

But coming back to the original point, something that seems lost on all the people making stupid observations about my original posting being on 1st April, this is about discrimination and bigotry, pure and simple. The same mentality that has led to so many hate crimes throughout history. And incidentally, I was always led to believe that April Fool's jokes could only be actioned prior to 1200 (1100 UTC) on the day in question. My post was somewhat later in the day.

I knew that the path I had chosen would be hard but I had absolutely no idea just how small minded and petty people can be until I was faced with trying to regain employment in my chosen profession. And that is my only complaint. People can make light of it by making foolish observations but think carefully, when you are least expecting it, you to could come up against similar discrimination. Discrimination, after all, takes many forms.

Kirsty:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Waving_tug_boy 14th Apr 2010 19:46

Kirsty i wish you all the best and i hope you find employment within the the avaition industry you love.

apologies for being a tool earlier must remember to engage brain :ok:

Ballymoss 14th Apr 2010 21:25

Wtb
 
What a complete and utter tosser you are (where's that w@nker smilie when I want it) Watch out, that tug might just take you up the ar$e one day!

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

Waving_tug_boy 14th Apr 2010 21:46

:ok: cheers buddy

Cluster Bomb 15th Apr 2010 13:39

Waving tug boy
 
You better hope this new groundhandling company doesn't discriminate against half-wits or you have no chance of getting employed. Think before you type.

Waving_tug_boy 15th Apr 2010 20:50

cheers buddy :ok: oh and dont park that belt loader there the fueler cant get in!!! ;):D

Cluster Bomb 16th Apr 2010 14:18

As long as you don't ram the steps into the kite with such force that the Captain has to call the engineers to check the plane and don't try to chock the aircraft before it stops. The list goes on, unfortunately Alba didn't....

Waving_tug_boy 16th Apr 2010 18:05

To be fair though clusterbomb lets be honest here, I was let loose with no training what so ever and Everyone who was on shift that night said that the kite had stopped but he took it apon himself to move forward. Even the safedock said Stop on it when i went in to chock it, and the stairs thing well you know as well as i do that wasnt me we didnt have any equipment that could leave a round mark. that was done at another station but scape goat tug boy wasnt on shift to defend himself but nice try. :ok:

C. Lunge 16th Apr 2010 20:28

Tug boy, Chocking a kite while the anti collision light's still on??? :ugh:Tut tut

Cluster Bomb 16th Apr 2010 20:34

It's not really his fault, he was new, even though he tried to tell everyone else what to do. Just as well it wasn't a popularity contest, from zero to minus figures in a matter of months.

Waving_tug_boy 16th Apr 2010 20:40

Yh i know. Sorry CB man I was a ****. Learned my lesson tho :ok: Its funny how being keen and wanting to learn the job loses you respect...

desertopsguy 17th Apr 2010 06:34

Boy did this thread take a turn or what???

IMHO, I would have kept quiet about the gender switch, if you wanted the job that badly then it wasnt prudent to say it unless you were legally obliged to. Ops rooms are not known for their etiquette and mild banter. The piss-takes are full on and your life choice might not sit very well with alot of the folks you would potentially work with, sad but true.

Maybe reapply somewhere else, do a blinder of an interview and keep mum about the personal stuff.

Just my 2c worth.

D.O.G

Agaricus bisporus 17th Apr 2010 19:42


How can this be rape? By whom and when.
Oh Lord, you really are so up yourself that you can't see that?

By YOU!!!!

Your boyfriend thought that he was going out with a WOMAN. He wasn't, you'd bamboozled him into going out with another man.

If you'd done that to many men you'd be lucky to survive the natural result.

Please remember that although you regard this "gender reassignment" as somehow "normal" or God forbid, "natural" it is by any biological, physical or psychological asessment totally and utterly unnatural.

This is in no way discrminatory or bigoted, this is a straightforward statement of natural and self-evident fact. To most people it is your attitude that your bizarre bahaviour must be accepted as "normal" that is bigoted and totally incomprehensible, and the reason why your job applications are not working. Is it really fair to expect an employer to hire you when he knows your presence will upset and offend the greater part of their customers? Wake up!

Sorry, but the dictatorship of the loony minorities over the rest of us has to be stopped. That is not democracy, any more than freakish medical sexual engineerig is moral or acceptable to the decent majority of the population who are sick to death of having this kind of awfulness stuffed down their throats..




I'll get my coat...

Waving_tug_boy 17th Apr 2010 20:14


Oh Lord, you really are so up yourself that you can't see that?

By YOU!!!!

Your boyfriend thought that he was going out with a WOMAN. He wasn't, you'd bamboozled him into going out with another man.

If you'd done that to many men you'd be lucky to survive the natural result.

Please remember that although you regard this "gender reassignment" as somehow "normal" or God forbid, "natural" it is by any biological, physical or psychological asessment totally and utterly unnatural.

This is in no way discrminatory or bigoted, this is a straightforward statement of natural and self-evident fact. To most people it is your attitude that your bizarre bahaviour must be accepted as "normal" that is bigoted and totally incomprehensible, and the reason why your job applications are not working. Is it really fair to expect an employer to hire you when he knows your presence will upset and offend the greater part of their customers? Wake up!

Sorry, but the dictatorship of the loony minorities over the rest of us has to be stopped. That is not democracy, any more than freakish medical sexual engineerig is moral or acceptable to the decent majority of the population who are sick to death of having this kind of awfulness stuffed down their throats..




I'll get my coat...
nicely put. :D

Vld1977 18th Apr 2010 01:00

Is it really fair to expect an employer to hire you when he knows your presence will upset and offend the greater part of their customers?

It should be fair. People should be chosen basing on their competence. By that logic, if my collegues or customers are upset by a female doing a traditional male role, then we should not employ women. Is that the conclusion? A few years back, a woman in control of an aircraft was unthinkable.

PeopleŽs irrational feelings towards anyone different shouldn't be above the law.

Vld1977 18th Apr 2010 01:05

Sorry, but the dictatorship of the loony minorities over the rest of us has to be stopped

They are only trying to be accepted by you, and to be treated as any other person (who has not done any harm to anyone), not to impose any behaviour or to try to convince you to change your gender. Unlike some people (these being very protected by the law) demanding that their rosters accomodate church visits and that you dress in a way they don't find offensive.

His dudeness 18th Apr 2010 16:51


Oh Lord, you really are so up yourself that you can't see that?

By YOU!!!!

Your boyfriend thought that he was going out with a WOMAN. He wasn't, you'd bamboozled him into going out with another man.

If you'd done that to many men you'd be lucky to survive the natural result.
Another man without a penis (I presume) and with breasts. Thats what I call a woman. If she worked from 1976-2006, it means she should be past 'reproduction date' even if a genuine (?) female.

So what did the bloke miss/loose there? Rape? get a life!



Please remember that although you regard this "gender reassignment" as somehow "normal" or God forbid, "natural" it is by any biological, physical or psychological asessment totally and utterly unnatural.

This is in no way discrminatory or bigoted, this is a straightforward statement of natural and self-evident fact. To most people it is your attitude that your bizarre bahaviour must be accepted as "normal" that is bigoted and totally incomprehensible, and the reason why your job applications are not working. Is it really fair to expect an employer to hire you when he knows your presence will upset and offend the greater part of their customers? Wake up!

Sorry, but the dictatorship of the loony minorities over the rest of us has to be stopped. That is not democracy, any more than freakish medical sexual engineerig is moral or acceptable to the decent majority of the population who are sick to death of having this kind of awfulness stuffed down their throats..
Will it upset the customers? Why should it? Or does she ware a sign: I had a dick but changed that!
In modern Britain? A person trying to live in body she wants to? Without costing Joe Public a penny? IŽd guess your post must be a contender in the 'most bigoted and discraminary' as well as the 'most bizarre' category.
I personally would employ on the base of "whats her qualification" and definetaly not "has she had a willy"....

Dictatorship? Wanting to work is dictatorship? Jeez, you are one weird guy.
Bizarre behaviour? What, applying for a job is bizarre?


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