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Recording of Standby Duty Time

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Old 30th May 2018, 17:00
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Recording of Standby Duty Time

Hi all,
I recently posted this in the Tech Log section with no reply, hopefully someone who frequents this section might know something.
I have asked the UK CAA on four occasions recently and am still awaiting an answer, am I surprised, not at all!
My job requires a large amount of daytime standby duty. My on-site manager seemingly has no idea of how standby is to be recorded. To keep it simple as I understand it you should be told (on the day prior to a standby duty) the start and end time and the nature of the standby duty to be undertaken. By nature I understand this to be location of and if it is to be a standby from home (or suitable accomodation) if it is to be counted at 50%. If I understand it correctly then if the standby duty is to be recorded at 50% then you should be advised of this when notified of the period of standby, not applied at the end of the standby duty period.
Is this correct?
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Old 31st May 2018, 08:21
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Normally, a standby duty is rostered or if taken off a flight and placed on standby, done as a call or email etc. Standby is duty and if on duty for 5 minutes or 12hrs, it should recorded. You should check CAP371 and your own ops manual for definitions on how standby duty should be included when calculating an FDP.
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Difficult to answer this without knowing your situation....If you are working as crew for “an operator” then AFAIK they should have an agreed FTL scheme with the regulator and as dc9-32 has said you should have access to the details of that scheme in your copy of your Ops manual....you shouldn’t have to be negotiating or horse trading with the boss or supervisor, they should know the answer, and (assuming you are Flight Crew) it is your licence at risk here.

As for the U.K. CAA...forget it, If for whatever reason you don’t have access to the details of the agreed company scheme your best bet is to look at EASA FTLs for guidance, I’m not sure if the following link is comprehensive or even up to date but it might be worth examining, especially section ORO.FTL.225 which specifically covers standby duties.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...01.0017.01.ENG



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Originally Posted by dc9-32 View Post
Normally, a standby duty is rostered or if taken off a flight and placed on standby, done as a call or email etc. Standby is duty and if on duty for 5 minutes or 12hrs, it should recorded. You should check CAP371 and your own ops manual for definitions on how standby duty should be included when calculating an FDP.
DC9-32 CAP371 is a bit like (with all due respect) a DC9 - long gone - replaced by EASA FTL
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Hi all,
I recently posted this in the Tech Log section with no reply, hopefully someone who frequents this section might know something.
I have asked the UK CAA on four occasions recently and am still awaiting an answer, am I surprised, not at all!
My job requires a large amount of daytime standby duty. My on-site manager seemingly has no idea of how standby is to be recorded. To keep it simple as I understand it you should be told (on the day prior to a standby duty) the start and end time and the nature of the standby duty to be undertaken. By nature I understand this to be location of and if it is to be a standby from home (or suitable accomodation) if it is to be counted at 50%. If I understand it correctly then if the standby duty is to be recorded at 50% then you should be advised of this when notified of the period of standby, not applied at the end of the standby duty period.
Is this correct?
VP-F By commenting you put it in Tech Log are you an Engineer or a Pilot?
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DC9-32 CAP371 is a bit like (with all due respect) a DC9 - long gone - replaced by EASA FTL

I think he will get my drift. Long time since I worked with FTL's, whoever writes them ​​​​​​​
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Sorry, I should have mentioned that I fly helicopters and that as I understand it CAP 371 still applies to UK reg helicopters (not EASA ftl) along with some other exceptions.
My point is that if you are informed of being on 50% standby then you have 3 times your normal time before flight to report for duty, e.g. if you normally report 30 minutes before take off you are allowed 90 minutes to get to work. If 50% only applies retrospectively if none of the relevant qualifying criteria are broken then an operator could potentially have a crew covering 132 hours of standby (and only record 67 hours) in a two week period and yet be able to call a crew in at potentially just 30 minutes notice.
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Originally Posted by dc9-32 View Post
DC9-32 CAP371 is a bit like (with all due respect) a DC9 - long gone - replaced by EASA FTL

I think he will get my drift. Long time since I worked with FTL's, whoever writes them
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Originally Posted by VP-F__ View Post
Sorry, I should have mentioned that I fly helicopters and that as I understand it CAP 371 still applies to UK reg helicopters (not EASA ftl) along with some other exceptions.
My point is that if you are informed of being on 50% standby then you have 3 times your normal time before flight to report for duty, e.g. if you normally report 30 minutes before take off you are allowed 90 minutes to get to work. If 50% only applies retrospectively if none of the relevant qualifying criteria are broken then an operator could potentially have a crew covering 132 hours of standby (and only record 67 hours) in a two week period and yet be able to call a crew in at potentially just 30 minutes notice.
VP-F Having read CAP you have summed it up correctly. Under EASA the Fatigue Risk Management regs would catch this but surprisingly CAP doesn't. What sort of standby periods are you talking are they all the same / not at night etc
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GKOC41 - no problem, and DC9's are not long gone
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Originally Posted by GKOC41 View Post
DC9-32 CAP371 is a bit like (with all due respect) a DC9 - long gone - replaced by EASA FTL
Technically incorrect. CAP 371 is alive and well. In daily use by any single pilot operation or those on a national aoc.
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