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hi guys ....... i have the flight dispatcher license from Dubai GCAA jeppesen academy in Dubai ....
i would like to move up to UK ...... i wona know ... how can i convert my dispatcher license to the UK dispatcher license ...where to go ...... what type s of the exams .... which academy & is British airways has any institute for training ..............
and what are the chances to work as operations officer in UK .... London - Manchester - new castle - Bristol - Leeds - Cardiff ....... etc
flybe .. easy jet .... etc
kindly help me guys getting UK dispatcher license ....... even if i have to join new course from the beginning ..... it ok just tell me about any training center in UK give the dispatcher license
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i would like to move up to UK ...... i wona know ... how can i convert my dispatcher license to the UK dispatcher license ...where to go ...... what type s of the exams .... which academy & is British airways has any institute for training ..............
and what are the chances to work as operations officer in UK .... London - Manchester - new castle - Bristol - Leeds - Cardiff ....... etc
flybe .. easy jet .... etc
kindly help me guys getting UK dispatcher license ....... even if i have to join new course from the beginning ..... it ok just tell me about any training center in UK give the dispatcher license
thanks
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You do not require a dispatchers license in the UK, unless you are dispatching for an FAR121 operator. Your GCAA license should however, hold you in good stead as proof of training in flight ops subjects- which is required. The standard for this is ICAO 7192 D3.
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The UK does not issue Dispatcher Licenses. They simply file a waiver of the requirement to have it's people have Flight Operations Officer (Dispatcher) ratings with ICAO.
This is because is is a sure fire way to keep people from unionizing in a volitile industry such as as aviation.
What you can do, if you are a Jeppesen graduate or industry experienced enough, is go to the U.S. and take a short course to get your ICAO FAA certification that is well recognized and considered the world standard all over... after all it was the U.S. that created the rating almost 80 years ago in the first place.
Either way, some experience will go a long way well beyond the EK College Jeppesen FAA course that is technically not an FAA course outside the U.S. and you should never be entitled to credit for such unaudited training to be able to take a short course in the U.S. but somehow the Denver FAA FSDO looks the other way for Jeppesen... so good luck and go for it, if you can get the visa to the states and afford it too.
Good luck!
This is because is is a sure fire way to keep people from unionizing in a volitile industry such as as aviation.
What you can do, if you are a Jeppesen graduate or industry experienced enough, is go to the U.S. and take a short course to get your ICAO FAA certification that is well recognized and considered the world standard all over... after all it was the U.S. that created the rating almost 80 years ago in the first place.
Either way, some experience will go a long way well beyond the EK College Jeppesen FAA course that is technically not an FAA course outside the U.S. and you should never be entitled to credit for such unaudited training to be able to take a short course in the U.S. but somehow the Denver FAA FSDO looks the other way for Jeppesen... so good luck and go for it, if you can get the visa to the states and afford it too.
Good luck!
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I think your use of the term ICAO FAA License is somewhat mis-placed, there is no ICAO element to the FAA license, in that, it is not equivalent to the ICAO Doc. 7192 D3 Flight Operations Officer/Flight Dispatcher license training syllabus. The FAA license, as we know, is specific to US CFR/FAR requirements.
I think your use of the term ICAO FAA License is somewhat mis-placed, there is no ICAO element to the FAA license, in that, it is not equivalent to the ICAO Doc. 7192 D3 Flight Operations Officer/Flight Dispatcher license training syllabus. The FAA license, as we know, is specific to US CFR/FAR requirements.
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'This is because is is a sure fire way to keep people from unionizing in a volitile industry such as as aviation.'
Many uninions I could join fella, I choose not to..............
Many uninions I could join fella, I choose not to..............
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Both of you are right I guess. What I was trying to do was asssit the individual that started the topic to have something credible, be it dispatcher experience or a rating, that will get them employed, if that is what the really want to do.
I can tell you that Jeppesen goes around with their FAA syllabus passing it off like the FAA Certificate / Rating that it is not... even most of the instructors outside the U.S. do not have the FAA ratings of any kind, Jeppesen just manages to get the government of the UAE, Malaysia, etc. to agree to thier material, with about 2 hours of aviation law slides amended a bit, but the quality of the instruction and what the indvidual gets, in my opinion, is highly questionable considering the price that they must pay.
The Jeppesen web site still advertises that their Dispatcher course in Singapore, for example, is CAAS approved when the CAAS does not require any approval and any such previous approval expired a while ago. Where is the honesty there anyway, with a Boeing Company no less???
Employers know all this... but not the clients who are mostly from the third world who spent their life savings on such programs. Sad is the state of our industry... very sad indeed just to make a buck. Thanks!
I can tell you that Jeppesen goes around with their FAA syllabus passing it off like the FAA Certificate / Rating that it is not... even most of the instructors outside the U.S. do not have the FAA ratings of any kind, Jeppesen just manages to get the government of the UAE, Malaysia, etc. to agree to thier material, with about 2 hours of aviation law slides amended a bit, but the quality of the instruction and what the indvidual gets, in my opinion, is highly questionable considering the price that they must pay.
The Jeppesen web site still advertises that their Dispatcher course in Singapore, for example, is CAAS approved when the CAAS does not require any approval and any such previous approval expired a while ago. Where is the honesty there anyway, with a Boeing Company no less???
Employers know all this... but not the clients who are mostly from the third world who spent their life savings on such programs. Sad is the state of our industry... very sad indeed just to make a buck. Thanks!
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What you are telling us is interesting- one assumes that if Jepp's is marketing an FAA dispacthers course then that should be acceptable to and lead to the issue of the FAA's Airman- Aircraft Dispacthers Certifcate.
What you are telling us is interesting- one assumes that if Jepp's is marketing an FAA dispacthers course then that should be acceptable to and lead to the issue of the FAA's Airman- Aircraft Dispacthers Certifcate.
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Well, Jeppesen gives them some truths and mostly half truths.
It is true that it an FAA approved course, however, only in the United States where it is audited, instructors approved, and surveillance by FAA Inspectors from the local Flight Standards District Office (FSDO), etc.
Jeppesen tells them that they will be unable to obtain the FAA rating as they can no longer take the FAA certification Oral & Practical exam outside the U.S. due to post 9-11 policy. That is completely true, but even if the FAA Inspectors or Designated Examiners were allowed to resume Oral & Practical (O & P) certification exams outside the U.S., the Jeppesen students would still not be eligible as their course outside the U.S. is not under the audit procedures of the FAA and therefore, technically, not an FAA approved course regardless of the materials used.
Instead in Dubai and Kuala Lumpher student's get a National license, also embossed richly with the words that it meets standards of ICAO, and Jeppesen even makes extra money in Dubai by requiring biannual refresher courses as the licenses expire every 2 years...
Now most of the third world students get the certification in Dubai, borrowing heavily or using their life savings, as a means to support their families and the UAE government requires it so they do not have a choice and Jeppesen is the sole approved provider (Why???). In Kuala Lumpher it is not so bad, the airlines themselves issued licenses until just a couple of years ago so the training is primarily for MH to get experienced airline dispatcher's, glorified office boys sadly, re-licensed under the National authority. Almost no one from the third world rushes to Malaysia to do this as unemployment is high and the Malaysian government is unwilling to issue visas.
Some go to Singapore when they read on the web site that it is CAAS approved... is it really??? The CAAS left it all up to the airlines from the very beginning and then 2 years ago stopped approving such non-employer courses, including Jeppesen, as they did want to license individuals and audit such courses. Oh no, the web site leads you to believe that it is a CAAS approved ticket to a good paying job in a 1st world nation easily reached from the 3rd world.
Their newest gimmick is to have the course in India, never mind that the Indian government does not issued Dispatcher licenses without you working for an airline and experience and training well beyond what the Jeppesen courses cover. But oh no, it is American, so naturally the 3rd world improvised people fall for it...
Any other questions my friends...
It is true that it an FAA approved course, however, only in the United States where it is audited, instructors approved, and surveillance by FAA Inspectors from the local Flight Standards District Office (FSDO), etc.
Jeppesen tells them that they will be unable to obtain the FAA rating as they can no longer take the FAA certification Oral & Practical exam outside the U.S. due to post 9-11 policy. That is completely true, but even if the FAA Inspectors or Designated Examiners were allowed to resume Oral & Practical (O & P) certification exams outside the U.S., the Jeppesen students would still not be eligible as their course outside the U.S. is not under the audit procedures of the FAA and therefore, technically, not an FAA approved course regardless of the materials used.
Instead in Dubai and Kuala Lumpher student's get a National license, also embossed richly with the words that it meets standards of ICAO, and Jeppesen even makes extra money in Dubai by requiring biannual refresher courses as the licenses expire every 2 years...
Now most of the third world students get the certification in Dubai, borrowing heavily or using their life savings, as a means to support their families and the UAE government requires it so they do not have a choice and Jeppesen is the sole approved provider (Why???). In Kuala Lumpher it is not so bad, the airlines themselves issued licenses until just a couple of years ago so the training is primarily for MH to get experienced airline dispatcher's, glorified office boys sadly, re-licensed under the National authority. Almost no one from the third world rushes to Malaysia to do this as unemployment is high and the Malaysian government is unwilling to issue visas.
Some go to Singapore when they read on the web site that it is CAAS approved... is it really??? The CAAS left it all up to the airlines from the very beginning and then 2 years ago stopped approving such non-employer courses, including Jeppesen, as they did want to license individuals and audit such courses. Oh no, the web site leads you to believe that it is a CAAS approved ticket to a good paying job in a 1st world nation easily reached from the 3rd world.
Their newest gimmick is to have the course in India, never mind that the Indian government does not issued Dispatcher licenses without you working for an airline and experience and training well beyond what the Jeppesen courses cover. But oh no, it is American, so naturally the 3rd world improvised people fall for it...
Any other questions my friends...
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Interesting, now that you have explained it in detail I can see where you were coming from in your earlier post. So the UAE and Dubai issue their own Dispatchers license against this course- even thought its to an FAA syllabus? or is a hybrid of ICAO and FAA- I wonder. Why would the UAe/Dubai issue a national license for a course that is geared up to FAR121 and the US system of weather etc.?
Interesting, now that you have explained it in detail I can see where you were coming from in your earlier post. So the UAE and Dubai issue their own Dispatchers license against this course- even thought its to an FAA syllabus? or is a hybrid of ICAO and FAA- I wonder. Why would the UAe/Dubai issue a national license for a course that is geared up to FAR121 and the US system of weather etc.?
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Excellent question, WHY does the UAE and Malaysia government issue a Flight Dispatcher's (Flight Operations Officer's license in Malaysia) based on a course that is geared for Part 121.
Each Jeppesen student gets an FAR / AIM book as well as the Gliem FAA ATP test reprint with answers that the FAA uses for the ADX (Aircraft Dispatcher's computer testing center knowledge test).
The only difference is that UAE & Malaysia classes get 2 hours of Aviation Law differences slides tailored for their country. The O & P exam is based on Part 121 rules, such as diversion alternates (FAA's 1-2-3 rule), takeoff minimums etc. All the slides appear old to me, tailored for an American audience, and yet it is delivered in and accepted by the UAE and Malaysia...
It is a hefty price to take the course, they jack it up to approximately US$7,000 (+ housing + meals + lost pay for 7 weeks) or so outside the U.S. to give an FAA legally unrecognized course that they hail as "FAA Approved" to mostly 3rd world working stiffs that have no choice as they try to avail themselves to a better life.
It is not over with just that price as Director of Jeppesen Academy and Manager of Eastern Hemisphere fly in as sole designated examiner's for both countries and charge them another US$300 (cash only accepted in US$ or local equivalent) for the O & P exam and then the UAE government hits them again for another US$300 for a 2 years licensing fee.
Oh but Jeppesen, a Boeing Company, says to them we are an "FAA Approved" course, somehow I just do not feel that way.. and then to the 3rd world folks no less.
It is my opinion that Jeppesen gives aviation a bad name... a real bad name!
Each Jeppesen student gets an FAR / AIM book as well as the Gliem FAA ATP test reprint with answers that the FAA uses for the ADX (Aircraft Dispatcher's computer testing center knowledge test).
The only difference is that UAE & Malaysia classes get 2 hours of Aviation Law differences slides tailored for their country. The O & P exam is based on Part 121 rules, such as diversion alternates (FAA's 1-2-3 rule), takeoff minimums etc. All the slides appear old to me, tailored for an American audience, and yet it is delivered in and accepted by the UAE and Malaysia...
It is a hefty price to take the course, they jack it up to approximately US$7,000 (+ housing + meals + lost pay for 7 weeks) or so outside the U.S. to give an FAA legally unrecognized course that they hail as "FAA Approved" to mostly 3rd world working stiffs that have no choice as they try to avail themselves to a better life.
It is not over with just that price as Director of Jeppesen Academy and Manager of Eastern Hemisphere fly in as sole designated examiner's for both countries and charge them another US$300 (cash only accepted in US$ or local equivalent) for the O & P exam and then the UAE government hits them again for another US$300 for a 2 years licensing fee.
Oh but Jeppesen, a Boeing Company, says to them we are an "FAA Approved" course, somehow I just do not feel that way.. and then to the 3rd world folks no less.
It is my opinion that Jeppesen gives aviation a bad name... a real bad name!
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PNY,
So, what you'er telling is that JEP course in DXB and KUL is just a money making gimik ? ? ?
Secondly, I hold a GCAA dispatch license (JEP DXB product
) and I want to get the FAA rating, anybody any ideas on that. . . still JEP DEN is good to go ? ? ?
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So, what you'er telling is that JEP course in DXB and KUL is just a money making gimik ? ? ?
Secondly, I hold a GCAA dispatch license (JEP DXB product
) and I want to get the FAA rating, anybody any ideas on that. . . still JEP DEN is good to go ? ? ?cheers
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Sure you can still get your FAA certification with Jeppesen in Denver and it will not cost you too much more than what you have already spent.
Technically none of the time doing the Jeppesen course at EK college should count towards the real FAA course in Denver, as explained above, but Jeppesen has a sweet heart deal with the Denver FSDO and they look the other way for some reason... sure would not want them to explain it the investigative agency for Congress, the U.S. Government Accounting Office (hmm, I wonder if they will read this too) someday... or The New York Times no less...anyway...
Now as a Jeppesen graduate you already know the powers to be at Jeppesen EK to write to for a request. If you get a visa with letter they email you for the embassy folks (tourist visa is easier) and have about US$1K + air ticket + hotel money they will surely take you in... you will join a class in progress and have to redo your 5th week and take the Jeppesen final exam again (out of the Gliem) and then do your flight planning practice in the 6th week of FOM2 and be scheduled for your computer knowledge testing and FAA O & P.
Also, you will NOT be out US$300 for the "REAL O & P" as the FAA Inspectors at the FAA Flight Standards District Office do not as government employees charge you a fee and, if you pass, you will walk out with a temporary certification. In about 2-3 months latter, you will receive in the mail a nice impressive credit card size document that you will also not pay a single cent for unlike the UAE GCAA which charges for just 2 years validity about US$300 (a krappy white organ donor design for UAE GCAA card), and that FAA certification you earned will be VALID FOR LIFE unless sooner surrendered, suspended or revoked. A duplicate if you loose the FAA card is only $2, not some ridiculous fee like the GCAA 2 year valid card.
At least with the FAA rating you will have something a bit more respected and versatile on an international front... it might even get you a real nice job in a place like Singapore... some countries prefer the FAA... it is better assurance that you proved yourself as having received quality training...
Any other questions folks... ask away... not everyone at Jeppesen is bad by the way... some genuinely care for you... and some of you already know who I am...
Technically none of the time doing the Jeppesen course at EK college should count towards the real FAA course in Denver, as explained above, but Jeppesen has a sweet heart deal with the Denver FSDO and they look the other way for some reason... sure would not want them to explain it the investigative agency for Congress, the U.S. Government Accounting Office (hmm, I wonder if they will read this too) someday... or The New York Times no less...anyway...
Now as a Jeppesen graduate you already know the powers to be at Jeppesen EK to write to for a request. If you get a visa with letter they email you for the embassy folks (tourist visa is easier) and have about US$1K + air ticket + hotel money they will surely take you in... you will join a class in progress and have to redo your 5th week and take the Jeppesen final exam again (out of the Gliem) and then do your flight planning practice in the 6th week of FOM2 and be scheduled for your computer knowledge testing and FAA O & P.
Also, you will NOT be out US$300 for the "REAL O & P" as the FAA Inspectors at the FAA Flight Standards District Office do not as government employees charge you a fee and, if you pass, you will walk out with a temporary certification. In about 2-3 months latter, you will receive in the mail a nice impressive credit card size document that you will also not pay a single cent for unlike the UAE GCAA which charges for just 2 years validity about US$300 (a krappy white organ donor design for UAE GCAA card), and that FAA certification you earned will be VALID FOR LIFE unless sooner surrendered, suspended or revoked. A duplicate if you loose the FAA card is only $2, not some ridiculous fee like the GCAA 2 year valid card.
At least with the FAA rating you will have something a bit more respected and versatile on an international front... it might even get you a real nice job in a place like Singapore... some countries prefer the FAA... it is better assurance that you proved yourself as having received quality training...
Any other questions folks... ask away... not everyone at Jeppesen is bad by the way... some genuinely care for you... and some of you already know who I am...
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More on the FAA approved - Dispatcher's License
Dear PNY,
Would you kindly do me a favor by directing me to which website i can browse to get more info/insight into the subject in question (FAA - Air Dispatcher's License)...
I have been in the industry as a ground (cargo) handling agent for over ten (10) years and is considering switching to something of the sort.
Looking forward to your response/feedback
Would you kindly do me a favor by directing me to which website i can browse to get more info/insight into the subject in question (FAA - Air Dispatcher's License)...
I have been in the industry as a ground (cargo) handling agent for over ten (10) years and is considering switching to something of the sort.
Looking forward to your response/feedback
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FAA Aircraft Dispatcher Certification
It's not rocket science here, just go to Google search and type in FAA Aircraft Dispatcher Certification Schools.
Finding a school that wants your money is easy. However, getting a Visa to enter the U.S. for training can be hard depending on the passport you have and money will not assist you with that at all.
Since you have so much experience, try applying for "Operations Controller" with your airline and sooner or latter, if you are good, you will become a dispatcher without having to have taken the course.
Good luck!
Finding a school that wants your money is easy. However, getting a Visa to enter the U.S. for training can be hard depending on the passport you have and money will not assist you with that at all.
Since you have so much experience, try applying for "Operations Controller" with your airline and sooner or latter, if you are good, you will become a dispatcher without having to have taken the course.
Good luck!
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Is 7 weeks of training enough ??
Hi there guys . I am from india . i have done my bachelors degree in the field of electrical and electronics engineering . i have worked in dell computers for 2 years. I am planning do my flight dispatcher training in Emirates aviation college, i checked the course duration there and in some of the other institutions ,ITS WAS 7 WEEKS .. 
i have no previous experince in aviation field . keeping the topic of job oppurtunities aside , i would like to know whether ,just 7 weeks of training is enough for person with no aviation experience . Emirates | Aviation College, Aerospace & Academic Studies is this course tailored for new comers .. Do i have to do any other introductory course in flight dispatch before doing this course ? Thanks for your time guys ..
i have no previous experince in aviation field . keeping the topic of job oppurtunities aside , i would like to know whether ,just 7 weeks of training is enough for person with no aviation experience . Emirates | Aviation College, Aerospace & Academic Studies is this course tailored for new comers .. Do i have to do any other introductory course in flight dispatch before doing this course ? Thanks for your time guys ..
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Just accept it "There is no UK/CAA/EASA" Flight Dispacthers Licence. Nor is there one required within the CAA/JAR/EASA mandate A level of knowledge, yes, a requirement for "an Airmans Ticket" as per the US FARs, no.
What do you folks want ? I'm retired now, and have had the job for 50 years ! ask me question, and I'll try to assist, PM me.
Good luck.
A level of knowledge, yes, a requirement for "an Airmans Ticket" as per the US FARs, no.What do you folks want ? I'm retired now, and have had the job for 50 years ! ask me question, and I'll try to assist, PM me.
Good luck.
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hello guys..I want to join sheffield school for dispatcher course , but i want to know after getting my faa license what should be my next step as job market there in US is still slow and even more tough for non-us citizens. I am a bit confused or say a lot confused as i completed my ame (aircraft maintenance course-full 3 years regular) here in India..and no job apportunities here..
plz do answer my query as I am waiting for valuable suggestions..
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..plz do answer my query as I am waiting for valuable suggestions..
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An FAA Dispatchers Licence will not get you the right to work in the US, unless you already have the right to work there. The official purpose of the licence is only good for those who have the right to work in the US and want to work there. The Licence will give you a good understanding and starting step into the world of dispatching and a nice shiny card (if you pass the course). I say that as a UK born citizen (without the right to work in the US) who has the Licence.
If you do decide to go ahead with the course I can tell you that I would recommend Sheffield School of Aeronautics in Ft. Lauderdale. I attended there and was very impressed. I know that others will tell you different (probably those who didnt pass the course - and there were a few!), but in my opinion they were excellent. DO NOT expect to pass the course and then get a job in the US. If you don't have the right to work in the US, IT WON'T HAPPEN!
If you do decide to go ahead with the course I can tell you that I would recommend Sheffield School of Aeronautics in Ft. Lauderdale. I attended there and was very impressed. I know that others will tell you different (probably those who didnt pass the course - and there were a few!), but in my opinion they were excellent. DO NOT expect to pass the course and then get a job in the US. If you don't have the right to work in the US, IT WON'T HAPPEN!
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what's next
ok if I get a FAA license, what are the job options in other parts of world apart from US (coz i don't hve work permit right now)...what are the best options after completing the course..is there in any openings for freshers?(I mean any sort of job in regional carriers in beginning) or only experienced guys are only taken...