Dispatch/Ops Qualifications
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Dispatch/Ops Qualifications
Hello! I'm new to this site and after reading a few posts I have discovered that there is actually proper qualifications you can get for Dispatchers and other ground handling posts like a GCAA & FAA licence! I never knew that!
Can someone please point me in the right direction regarding the training, courses available, course requirements, costs, time, etc.
Much appreciated
Can someone please point me in the right direction regarding the training, courses available, course requirements, costs, time, etc.
Much appreciated
Last edited by sup_n; 24th May 2008 at 22:32.
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From: LONDON
hey. yea there is a course you can do and obtain a qualiication in aviation studies its done by city and guilds an average of 1200-1900 quid to complete but i dont think that includes the exames... its a self study programme which is great because you can take as long or as little as you want to learn, there are two levels foundation and then advance which obviously goes into the foundation level in alot more depth.... ive been in aviaiton 7 years and never knew this course exsisted untill recently so im very much considering taking this course up myself it seems to be the only way to go as most airlines and handling agents wanting to employ airside workers regarding dispatch and operations require..... if you do manage to get on the course let me know what you think and if you get a more specific idea of price ect..ta v.much good luck!!!
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From: Middlesesx
You may try and join an airline / ground handling company or exec avaition to obtain some qualifications. For even with them many / most dispatch roles are filled internally I doubt that you could go into such a role without some hands on experience.
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From: Flight Ops Dept
IDR Just to clear something up from the start an American FAA dispatch licence has nothing to do with working on the ramp. They have Turn Round Coordinators for that. FAA dispatcher’s works in an office normally nowhere near any aircraft or pilots, but in airline operations (HQ). A licence is only required in the USA, Canada and some countries in the Gulf.
The Gulf States except the American FAA licence as well as their own GCAA licence… however no other Country`s accepts the GCAA licence.
The City and Gilds qualification is great if you want to work on the ramp in the UK but as no licence is required it’s your choice and might give you an advantage over other job applicants.
A lot of UK airline`s require 2 years aviation experience to work in their flight operations department. If you have that and an FAA licence then you are in a very good position to apply. easyJet send all of their operations staff to the USA to complete the licence so they have a company standard, but as far as I know they are the only airline in Europe that do.
The Gulf States except the American FAA licence as well as their own GCAA licence… however no other Country`s accepts the GCAA licence.
The City and Gilds qualification is great if you want to work on the ramp in the UK but as no licence is required it’s your choice and might give you an advantage over other job applicants.
A lot of UK airline`s require 2 years aviation experience to work in their flight operations department. If you have that and an FAA licence then you are in a very good position to apply. easyJet send all of their operations staff to the USA to complete the licence so they have a company standard, but as far as I know they are the only airline in Europe that do.
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Im Ireland there is a course run by one of the colleges in Dublin. There could be something similar in the UK.
http://www.dit.ie/DIT/engineering/me...ning_aero.html
Paddywacker
http://www.dit.ie/DIT/engineering/me...ning_aero.html
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courses in Flight dispatch / operations
Hi.
Just joined in today.
Read the topic as regards courses.
Pls advise if GCAA License is recognised worldwide and comparatively how do you rate the teaching facilities in Dubai for the jepps course with FAA license schools in USA.
Just joined in today.
Read the topic as regards courses.
Pls advise if GCAA License is recognised worldwide and comparatively how do you rate the teaching facilities in Dubai for the jepps course with FAA license schools in USA.
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Blue Monday and others...
If you are going to work under the US FAR system of dispatcher/pilot joint-responsibilty then you need to hold the FAA Aircraft Dispatchers License. It is a very good qualifcation, BUT, it is not the qualifcation appropriate to European operations that is based on ICAO Doc 7192 - AN/857 D3 Training Manual - Flight Operations Officers/Flight Dispatchers. Further, the FAA license obviously, focuses on US FAR regulations, US aviation weather services which are (with a few exceptions) unique to the contingent United States. That said, there is much subject matter that is common to both FAA and ICAO 7192. My view however, is that 7192 is the much more comprehensive syllabus and offer a deeper level of operations studies.
Those airlines who choose to send their people on the FAA license course, do so largely, as there is little other option and there is large dispatcher training industry available in the States which we lack.
So, if you are looking for an ops qualification for European operators under EU-OPS/EASA, then you must look for a course based on the ICAO 7192 D3, such as the Dublin Institute of Technology, and I believe Bristol Ground School are offering this course in the UK and AVTECH2000 who I believe, now have a 7192 based course.
I have reprinted here the UK CAA CAP 768 (April 2008) Guidance to Operators on the subject.
Responsibilities of Aircraft Crew and other Operating Staff
3.1 In this context the term 'operating staff', as distinct from the crew, means staff having specific duties, in relation to particular flights, which fall within the general preflight and in-flight responsibility of the aircraft commander. The operations manual should define, where appropriate, the duties and responsibilities of people employed as:
a) flight dispatchers/flight watch officers;
b) flight planning assistants who prepare navigation flight plans and flight briefs, compute fuel requirements, Regulated Take-Off Weights (RTOWs) and
Aerodrome Operating Minima (AOM);
c) rostering and scheduling staff;
d) traffic officers or 'loadmasters' responsible for calculating maximum payload and/or fuel uplifts or for supervising the loading of aircraft and completing load/trim sheets.
3.2 If an operator employs flight operations officers in conjunction with a method of operational control, training for these personnel should be based on relevant parts of ICAO Doc 7192 - AN/857 D3 Training Manual - Flight Operations Officers/Flight Dispatchers. This should not be taken as a requirement for licensed flight dispatchers nor for a flight-following system.
Guidance on the role of the flight operations officer/flight dispatcher is contained in ICAO Doc 8335 The Manual of Procedures for Operations Inspection, Certification and Continued Surveillance. Detailed guidance on
the authorisation, duties and responsibilities of a flight operations officer/flight
dispatcher is contained in ICAO Doc 9376 Preparation of an Operations Manual.
If you are going to work under the US FAR system of dispatcher/pilot joint-responsibilty then you need to hold the FAA Aircraft Dispatchers License. It is a very good qualifcation, BUT, it is not the qualifcation appropriate to European operations that is based on ICAO Doc 7192 - AN/857 D3 Training Manual - Flight Operations Officers/Flight Dispatchers. Further, the FAA license obviously, focuses on US FAR regulations, US aviation weather services which are (with a few exceptions) unique to the contingent United States. That said, there is much subject matter that is common to both FAA and ICAO 7192. My view however, is that 7192 is the much more comprehensive syllabus and offer a deeper level of operations studies.
Those airlines who choose to send their people on the FAA license course, do so largely, as there is little other option and there is large dispatcher training industry available in the States which we lack.
So, if you are looking for an ops qualification for European operators under EU-OPS/EASA, then you must look for a course based on the ICAO 7192 D3, such as the Dublin Institute of Technology, and I believe Bristol Ground School are offering this course in the UK and AVTECH2000 who I believe, now have a 7192 based course.
I have reprinted here the UK CAA CAP 768 (April 2008) Guidance to Operators on the subject.
Responsibilities of Aircraft Crew and other Operating Staff
3.1 In this context the term 'operating staff', as distinct from the crew, means staff having specific duties, in relation to particular flights, which fall within the general preflight and in-flight responsibility of the aircraft commander. The operations manual should define, where appropriate, the duties and responsibilities of people employed as:
a) flight dispatchers/flight watch officers;
b) flight planning assistants who prepare navigation flight plans and flight briefs, compute fuel requirements, Regulated Take-Off Weights (RTOWs) and
Aerodrome Operating Minima (AOM);
c) rostering and scheduling staff;
d) traffic officers or 'loadmasters' responsible for calculating maximum payload and/or fuel uplifts or for supervising the loading of aircraft and completing load/trim sheets.
3.2 If an operator employs flight operations officers in conjunction with a method of operational control, training for these personnel should be based on relevant parts of ICAO Doc 7192 - AN/857 D3 Training Manual - Flight Operations Officers/Flight Dispatchers. This should not be taken as a requirement for licensed flight dispatchers nor for a flight-following system.
Guidance on the role of the flight operations officer/flight dispatcher is contained in ICAO Doc 8335 The Manual of Procedures for Operations Inspection, Certification and Continued Surveillance. Detailed guidance on
the authorisation, duties and responsibilities of a flight operations officer/flight
dispatcher is contained in ICAO Doc 9376 Preparation of an Operations Manual.
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in my experience, best qualification you can have is
1/ look good in a suit and wear cuflinks
2/ say yes to everything
3/ talk the talk
4/ lik a*se wherever you can
5/ turn your hand into a mouse
6/ keep saying thats what i'm talkin about
1/ look good in a suit and wear cuflinks
2/ say yes to everything
3/ talk the talk
4/ lik a*se wherever you can
5/ turn your hand into a mouse
6/ keep saying thats what i'm talkin about
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From: Flight Ops Dept
no sig - thanks, v useful
Thanks for that info.
On a more light hearted note; The other advantage of the US course is getting paid to go the US for 6 weeks - although imagine its quite intensive so not much chance of site seeing.
On a more light hearted note; The other advantage of the US course is getting paid to go the US for 6 weeks - although imagine its quite intensive so not much chance of site seeing.
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blue monday
Of course you're right- a trip out to the States is alway a joy; and you're right, the FAA license requires quite alot of study- particularly the FAR's.
Despite my trying to steer everybody to the ICAO 7192, which I firmly beleive is the right course and is part of the EU-OPS (JAROPS1), I know well that having the FAA license has some cudos which most ops officers seek. The fact of the matter is that the technical content of the 7192 syllabus is superior to the FAA license, in my opinion; and it covers many more subjects.
That is not to say that the FAA license isn't a very good qualifcation- it is indeed- however, it's part of a system where the airlines then complement the basic license with an airline/type specific indoctrination and inital training requirements when new staff join an airline. We don't have a requirement for this training in Europe.
Anyway, I live in hope that EASA will mandate a requirement for an ops officer qualifcation based on ICAO 7192 D3 and that our focus turns away from a US qualification to a European based one. That's what our industry needs!
Of course you're right- a trip out to the States is alway a joy; and you're right, the FAA license requires quite alot of study- particularly the FAR's.
Despite my trying to steer everybody to the ICAO 7192, which I firmly beleive is the right course and is part of the EU-OPS (JAROPS1), I know well that having the FAA license has some cudos which most ops officers seek. The fact of the matter is that the technical content of the 7192 syllabus is superior to the FAA license, in my opinion; and it covers many more subjects.
That is not to say that the FAA license isn't a very good qualifcation- it is indeed- however, it's part of a system where the airlines then complement the basic license with an airline/type specific indoctrination and inital training requirements when new staff join an airline. We don't have a requirement for this training in Europe.
Anyway, I live in hope that EASA will mandate a requirement for an ops officer qualifcation based on ICAO 7192 D3 and that our focus turns away from a US qualification to a European based one. That's what our industry needs!
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From: coeland
Yes. U are right on the Doc7192.
I know in Singapore there is a training on Doc7192 & practical dispatching.incldin 7192Phase 2 syllabus. Mind U,we are not talking abt Jeppesen .
But I don;t know if they train for public as I heard they are approved instructors for Singapore Airlines and airlines running on JAR. Their primary business is actually starting up airlines & Flt Ops Department for Airlines.
My 2cents.
I know in Singapore there is a training on Doc7192 & practical dispatching.incldin 7192Phase 2 syllabus. Mind U,we are not talking abt Jeppesen .
But I don;t know if they train for public as I heard they are approved instructors for Singapore Airlines and airlines running on JAR. Their primary business is actually starting up airlines & Flt Ops Department for Airlines.
My 2cents.
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Flight Dispatchers courses in the USA
This is my first time on the site. I am moving (for good) to the USA next year after 28 years in the RAF, most as an Air Loadmaster. I am thinking about working as a Flight Dispatcher, Traffic Officer or Ramp Co-ordinater, can anyone recomend a course in the states and give me an idea of costs, duration and locations? Obviously the aviation industry is a volotile one but what are employability positions generally and is there a good site to search for them? Any help will be greatly welcome!
