How should a CV look like ?
 

How should a CV look like if I'm willing to work for free for my OJT, just wondering, should i attach my performance report from my college along with the normal info, or should i keep it upon request. never made a CV for this part of the industry so gimme tips !

thanks.

Highlight what you have gained so far, including exams passed, if you have good attendance note that too. Dont go on too much about how great you are, keep it simple and easy to read and most of all-look enthusiastic, humble, clean and willing..

Hi Ahmed,
if you are applying for a specific job make sure your application addresses the criteria of the advert.
I would suggest a cover letter and a precise and to the point resume.
there is a thread running in this part of pprune which is aimed at pilots but the advice is general enough to be of use

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...t-cv-rage.html

Good luck

Tip number one you should not be willing to work for free for anything as it just degrades our industry even further.

Bla Bla Bla, what company (expecting during these hard time) would want to employee an engineer that have just came out of college and with virtually no experience on working on live aircraft, first without giving them a chance to prove they have got the correct skills and not to worst money and time on them if they haven’t. Anyone can pass exams, but that doesn't mean you have got the correct skills of being an engineer.
Ahmed, most people I know who have worked for free, treats it as a job interview and a lot of them are lucky to get offered a job at the end of it. Beside its free labour for the company.

Bla Bla Bla, explain to me how it ‘degrades the industry’, because truly your comment is bla bla bla.

Work for free = less than scab, I would not have shared my advice if I had payed attention to this. If a business can not afford to pay it's employee's it has no business being in business.

Sorry you wasted money on an education that will not get you a job that pays money. After all why work if there is no pay. Head over to S.E. asia, probably get at least free housing and a bowl of rice a day.

Faz,

Before I was a pilot I was an aircraft engineer in West Sussex as it happens and even when I trained I would not work for free because you are providing a service even at the training stage. It was the ame when I became a pilot I did not work for free as I maybe have been a new hire but I still provided a service

If you do not understand how it degrades the industry then you are daft as a brush and judging by your complete lack grammar my assumption is correct.

Working for free for a long period of time will yes, most likely to degrade the industry. However a shorter period (i.e. few weeks) will have no consequences on the industry. This is what I have always been in favour of. Maybe I should have explained this in my previous comment.
Nothing wrong with doing few weeks of work experience.

So what you are saying is faz...

I have never replaced an IDG on an RB211 soo the first time I change one I should do it off the clock because the company has the rite only to pay someone that has the experience to perform the task. I should also accept this and be greatfull for the experience.

Man, if you are dumb enough to work for free, I would not want you working for me. More techs/engeneers need to stick together with some grit and backbone, the companies keep taking and we keep giving.

It should represent everything you have achieved at one glance...

Muduckace and bla bla bla, you seem very passionate about this subject and protecting our industry I do hope your members of ALAE!!! ??

Working for experience unpaid for a limited time is acceptable but beyond that is neighter good for the person or the fraternity of AMEs/AMTs worldwide.
An Airline in this business will need to pay a person.By not paying an individual is incorrect for the airline [committed workers]& the individuals future.

Non liscenced AMT's
 

The FAA governs that a person performing maintenance under a repair station liscence shal have adiquite supervision. I forget the numbers but in MRO's here stateside it is often to find a 15 person crew with a lead/supervisor who has a liscence and a majority of technitions who are unliscenced . One crew could have 50% AMT's (by chance) and another with only the lead and or supervisor. These ratio's are narrowly scrutinized, everyone works under the MRO's repair station liscence (no one works for free). They get away with this under a 100% buy back program where everything is baught off by an inspector.

Things are this loose winthin the USA, airlines who use forign MRO's are subject to less scruteny as FAA oversight is more difficult to maintain. I can not speak for airlines governed under other regulatory systems.

Not saying there are any less skilled techs at these forigh MRO's, just that airlines like to take their business to where there is less oversight for a reason. I have heard first hand form a US based airline DOM who had been offered several times by a centeral american MRO to drop off his aircraft and return in a week to pay for a freshly signed C-check about 20 years back. Can't say this still goes on today but bottom line for an MRO is turning over a job with the least amount of overhead invested.

Re OJT/working for free:

I have no idea of the situation in Bahrain or the USA, but to give you my UK (charter airline) perspective - nobody looking to gain unpaid experience working with us is viewed as free labour, or devaluing the industry.

As background to anyone outside of the UK; when I started in the industry 20+ years ago with a BigAirline, the majority of people came from airline/MRO appenticeships or the services.
Now the majority seem to be paying for college/university courses as the previous apprenticeship schemes are no longer available or have much reduced intakes & the forces contract. These courses mostly promise an 'A' (mechanics) or 'B1/B2' (engineer(IA in USA scheme?)) licence at the end - which will be frozen subject to the individual gaining the required 3/5 years experience.
These guys will go looking for experience during college holidays & after their course ends, as (1)without it they cannot hold the licence & (2)due to lack of experience they are also no use to an airline/MRO - so they are then stuck in the situation so despised of previous posters, they must work for free to gain experience as there is no other way in - & they will probably have spent a fair bit of money at this point.

Now, how are these guys treated at the outfit I work for?

Firstly - we have seemingly endless requests to come for work experience with us.
We try & accomodate as many as possible, but only take those that seem to be commited to the career & won't waste our time.
These guys get a limited time to come & work with us as there as constraints on periods thay can be issued an airside pass.

Secondly - These guys are NOT viewed as free/cheap labour. On the contrary they actually take up the time of the most experienced Engineers & Mechanics, who have to escort them on the airfield & spend time teaching them instead of carrying out their normal duties, they are NEVER viewed as productive manpower.

We have had mixed experiences with these guys, some have been keen as mustard & subsequently been first in the queue when vacancies have come up, some have wasted our time & made us wonder why they've bothered paying for the courses they are on.

Why do we carry on taking people looking for experience, & believe me it is a faff for all concerned? If we don't who will & where will the future Engineers & Mechanics come from?

Some of the previous posts appear to be tarring these guys as scabs/blacklegs. Out of order IMHO.

Good luck to the OP.

I believe WenWe is on the money here. People who work "for free" are actually gaining experience and potentially getting a foot in the door, which is likely to be considerably higher value than apprentice wages. In turn the employer is footing a not inconsiderable bill for supervision, instruction, clothing, passes, etc. Remember trainees can't work unsupervised so not only does an experienced man have to shadow their every move but in explaining and demonstrating what has to be done he won't be properly productive himself.

I applaud any company that takes on trainees these days. They are the future of the industry but with the importance of engineering skills in what we do employers need to be sure their time and money isn't wasted on somebody without the ability and will to stay and do a good job after training. Hence they are selective and the only way to select is to see how somebody does in the working environment.

Saying that I wouldn't expect an employer to have somebody working for free past an initial trial period. If they are going to commit to a trainee they should expect the trainee to commit to them and as part of that agreement pay the person.

To the OP, study the requirements for the job, either from an advert (if there is one) or generically. Then write your CV to emphasise how you meet those requirements. You will only get 10 seconds of a reader's time so make sure it's well laid out and clearly shows the salient points.

Remember, you wouldn't use the same chat-up line for every girl, don't expect the same CV to work for every employer!

WhenWe, you are spot on my friend. Great post.

WenWe
20+ or 30+?

There is an element of chicken/egg with training. Those of us fortunate to have accomplished 4 year apprenticeships (I did mine with AEL/MAEL in the 70s/80s) were, in effect, paid to train. Things have changed: I was talking to a graduate from Kingston University last month. He was 29, had a degree in aviation maintenance and a basic Part 66. No company or agency would employ him; no experience.