Heard today that the ALAEA has decided against incorporating bans on higher duties and bringing everyone back on the floor. Suppose to be imposed next Wednesday or Thursday. All the pissweak reps on OCS or higher duties probably realise it's not in their own short term interest.
Let's not pussy foot around guys. Either have the balls and go out on the grass or just take 3% with back pay and get back to your own pathetic lives. If you don't you'll be screwed.

Hey Cone head . Put the guys name or initials on the forum or on GLSOL. Make sure that every one knows who he is.
If not, the toilet walls at work make a good canvas.
By the way join the ALAEA. Youu can't change it from the outside.

The ALAEA have notified the IRC today that they are escalating industrial action. The timing to be around Thursday next week if the Company refuse to begin talking.

I presume It will be "no higher duties" ban as rumoured. QF will presumably not agree to talks as they have already warned people on various secondments that they will be returning to their crews to resume their normal job description.

Check out ALAEA website forum under EBA 7 thread. You will need to register to gain access to the employer specific forums.
www.alaea.asn.au

From another forum over a week ago Bexley suggested that the bans would not be escalated, But then he is on the inside.

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Richard Slicker Posts: 34 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:45 am Post subject:

Although we haven't heard from the asn the Fed Exec have voted to up the bans in 2 weeks to no higher duties. Was that part of the plan Bex?
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Bexley Posts: 32 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject:

And to you Dick slider, It will never happen. I will leave it at that._________________Lifes to short
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Why not join so you can voice your opinion and take part in the overthrow of the current Wallys. There is a team ready to lead for the members and without management influence. You can vote for them in 12 months time but you can't if you aren't a member.

Would you like to see SF have his little Empire taken away. Are you happy with TH and his mates selling agreements that we don't really want. I'm not so I remain a member to end the rot. I hope you join for the same reasons.

:mad:

Woomera

I can understand selfish basturds who couldn't give a damn about the others the work with but what do these scabs do when their children grow up and start asking questions. How do you sit down with a 22 year old son, look him in the eye and say "Yes son I was a scab and I want you to be just like me".

well it looks like the !!!!! hit the fan tonight in CBR. No E&I cover for the 738 and it came in with an fmc fail. Grounded:) Then anouther 800 came in with a dead FCU. With one lame on the fcu then there were only two lames left to run the tarmac, so you can only guess what happened. Yep! mass delays you little ripper. Cop that Mr D. So two A/C up against the fence and heaps of delays there, how can they say this industrial action is not affecting QF. Bullsh#t!!!! All I can say now, is bring it on....:cool:

The thing that amazes me the most about these people is that they pretend that they are looking after #1 but all they are doing by not sticking with the rest of the boys is reducing their conditions in the long run. It is the most senseless action around.
And How The **** do they think they got the major conditions that they enjoy now ...like long service leave etc.
No. Our predecesors put in the hard yards and stuck together and fought for our rights. these slimy people cant even stand up for themselves.

He would have had some excellent mentors in the pilot ranks, during his time with Ansett.
It's surprising how only these people have families to take care of - or so THEY'LL tell you!

who is this person - he should be named/shamed.

No he will not be named. If there are any names this thread will be removed!

:mad:

Woomera

to the person in DRW.... how can you look your fellow LAMEs in the eye and your family and say--- when the LAMEs fought hard and stuck together to achieve a satisfactory EBA out come ... I was in DRW stabbing them in the BACK...

He is happy to go there and others were going in fact if he didnt. Its nothing any decent lame wouldnt do anyway. Go read the notices idiots overtime is baned not releif work so leave the bloke alone hes just doing the right thing. Just cause we have bans doesnt mean you dont take care of the airline if you just delay the aircraft the passengers will go elsewhere. Have a think about it fools and by the way I havnt been sacked.

Glad the resident village idiot is still around. You obviously have absorbed the FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) provided by QF management really deeply. In other words, you really believe that the "passengers will go away" (and take your job with them) if LAME's do not accept 3% and roll over and do whatever is required of them, despite the fact that QF has an iron grip on airline capacity into and throughout Australia.


There is only one way that the passengers "really" will go away.

And that is when an overstressed LAME, makes a maintenance error.

MR QANTAS you really are showing yourself as a fool,what are you going to do, come the end of the week when higher duties comes into play,nothing i would say as steam clean should operate business as usual.TWIT

Is it really going to happen or will the asn chicken out?

Can't wait if it does go ahead. What happens if the DMM goes off sick? The place will fall over.

Although I'm Cabin crew I have been reading your site with great interest, I agree 100% about these people, how can they sleep at night, to me its one of the lowest acts one can do to another human being.
look at what happened to us during the last EBA, they trained hundereds of people, sadly most of them came from within QANTAS, at one stage they were going into their managers office and were upset that they had not being asked to participate against us.
Make life miserable for these C***TS.

Whilst I understand the passion this thread may evoke, this forum has rules to which all agree when they register.

No one will be named, no matter how subtly or obliquely.

Long experience indicated use of that "S" word should not be permitted.

Whilst Woomera have edited certain posts, the thread is not being censored - unlike allegations against your association web site.

Transgress the rules and your access to this thread will be restricted.

Woomera

Sorry bout that woomera will cease to name names in future

Heard from a good source that syd domestic line in trouble.With no DMM on crew 1 the shipo is rudderless

sorry about that woomera---- can we use low life C:mad: T instead


Mr mustang ranch will be enjoying a short break whilst he writes out long hand 100 times "I must not piss of the Woomeri nor use abusive language.":mad:

I would suggest that " the mustang ranch" is deliberately trying to push you to removing this thread, for reasons obvious to the rest of us. Those of us that respect free speech also respect the parameters we must comply with, and if anything should be deleted then set the horses free.

The "S word" - how pathetic, coming from a supposedly mature adult.

The word is neither slang, nor a profanity.
It was coined to indicate the low level of esteem in which wilful strikebreakers/blacklegs are held within decent societies that follow long established rules of accepted behaviour.

"The S word" appears in the OED and all other well respected dictionaries.

Anyone who has been - or is threatened by - these lowlifes knows how THEY destroy the very fabric of the establishment.

That is my opinion Woomera - because I, and hundreds of acquaintances, HAVE seen (and felt) the effect of these people when their actions were condoned by others.
And, for the record, ALL of those who VOLUNTEER to take strike-breaking action, do it IN THE FULL KNOWLEDGE that they will be labelled "S(@8S".

Why is 1 particular Woomera siding with them?

"Sticks and stones....."

Please edit or empty your mailbox W

Done, as requested. K.M.

There is another name that is usefull in this situation. It 72227.
(If you need help look at a telephone keypad.)
Honestly I don't see what all the fuss is about. Is it offensive to label an unnamed person a 7222.
Or is it only offensive if you give the 7222 a real name.
Either way the most offensive type of person in the workforce is a 7222.
You don't see too many of them going in the front door to break work bans.
And in response to the Cabin crew person who made coment about his own group offering to backstab their own colleagues,that doesn't suprise me as during the great AME dispute back in 2001 the most vocal opposition we got at our picket lines was from hosties in their cars as they drove through telling us that we were lucky we had a job and to get back to work.

Hey Dude's fairly new to this site but got a few questions????
Am new to QF engineering, been here about two years and immigrated from the regionals. I'm all for the industrial action and have been doing my bit as well :} but just how long do you think this is going to last??? I guess you guys have been through this before but how long did it take last time. With a new little one on the way just wondering if I should be looking at getting some part time work.

Ow! by the way MR Qantas just delayed a 738 for three hrs. For some reason I just couldn’t find all the info I needed in the AMM to get the hunk of junk going, even though normally I would of just let it go. :ok:

Now I'm just pissed off!!!

In regards to the higher duties ban.

Im sure there will be more fine print like there was in the over time bans if it ever does eventuate.

it will cause a lot more problems than sections having no supervisors dmm's.

Think of all the people on secondment. ie - the blokes involved in anything a380 related, weather it be in sydney or the blokes in tolouse. The whole thing would be majorly disrupted if the lames doing that went back on the floor.

All the people who are seconded to office duties for OH&S crap, most of them are licenced. Im not sure, but would the company be able to operate without all the seconded OH&S people? or would workcover eat them alive.

I also think that if they do carry out a blanket higher duties ban there will be alot more people doing that unspeakable word because they will only be seeing the short term. What do they care? they are involved in the a380 project, or their working their way up in the oh&s/corporate environment.

You guys really need to just take it outside the gate for a day or 2. In the slim chance that it achieves nothing, atleast us ame's and apprentices will get to sit on our asses all day, unless the managers come out and start using their pens. Come to think of it, I would actually enjoy that even more than sitting on my ass all day i think!!

turbo5
 

yes you're right, I remember that all too well, those idiotic hosties were an embarrassment to us cabin crew, from my recollection we did comment on onboard about those idiots,but I can assure you that 95% of crew were embarrassed by them.
I used the 7222 word in my post, I,m only new to this forum, I had not idea that it was regarded as offensive and I cannot see why! they are 7222 and to me they are the lowest form of life.
they undermine us.
I cant see the point of this forum when they ban the use of "that" word, I was surprised, I thought forums were set up so we can openly discuss our opinions, when I was censored It was like being at the QF workplace, don't so this, don't say that!
Woomera, why are you so against this word?
:ooh:

Jake

Over the past eight years or so the issues surrounding a previous industrial dispute have been done to death, time after time, ad infinitum. Threads have degenerated to the point users have been banned – not for their opinions either way on the dispute, but solely due to their conduct in this forum. Consensus will never be achieved.

Indeed, the owners and publishers of this forum have been threatened with legal action for libel and defamation. As a result, a decision has been made not to permit that word due to the emotions it generates.

Regarding Kaptin M’s totally erroneous allegation – no Woomera is siding with anyone. The Woomera team have always conducted their moderating of this forum in a professional and fair manner, never permitting personal opinions (if indeed they have any personal opinions on the issues) to cloud their judgement.

Lastly, the title of this thread is ALAEA ups bans. The engineers are entitled to their opinions without flack from the side lines, provided the posted opinions are in accordance with PPRuNe rules.

We will not permit thread drift into other issues.

Woomera

I have just seen the latest notice to come out of the ASN and it is as I predicted, with out any ban on Higher Duties.

weak, weak, weak, weak

Qantas wants to meet
 

ALAEA Notice out today, Qantas wishes to meet, ALAEA offers to suspend ban for 24hrs.

Quote "This action has been taken by the Federal Executive in response to a request by Qantas for a meeting "to explore the potential to reach an agreement"in regard to EBA vii. (Note: it is Qantas' policy that the company will not meet with the Association while industrial action is in place. )"

Meeting today 1400 in Sydney.

Interesting to note that they decide to meet the day before the bans are upgraded. Why the hell didn't we step it up earlier?

Bans will be off completely by this time Thursday (in good faith)with the ASN supporting an offer by the airline based on the old "it's the best we could do in these difficult times." It will include a transmission of business clause.

Will the ASN be first to allow transfer of business without redundancy. Every other union in Qf holds it's breath as the 7222 union wheels and deals. It is their turn with the TWU signing off first last time.

Now lets see who's batting for the members. The bans will never reach the higher duty ban. It was never part of the plan. A motion introduced by an outsider and somehow passed by the Executive. Wish I was there to see the look on Bruces face when the phone call come through. Heard he's enjoying retirement.

This is the meeting where the company will give a little, but only if you accept by ..... date and ......lift all bans til then....... or we will remove any back pay

Lets get 1 thing straight out there, the current bans are useless.... Q: Why is overtime allowed on customer aircraft??? We at dom are doing it tough while our brothers down the road manipulate the rosters so they are rostered on qf aircraft and do overtime on customer. So much for solidarity.
Q: Why does our fed. pres. do overtime on customer aircraft?? Should he not be leading the way and lead by example. We have had enough. Blanket ban on overtime(no execptions). No higher duties. No secondments. No project work.

hannibal lector

100% in agreeance with you there on a 'blanket' O/T ban.

I've heard so many International Engineers say that customer work is what keeps them in a job and so we have to look after them etc.etc.

Lets get one thing clear....there IS a shortage of LAME's....there IS a DEFINATE shortage of experienced LAME's....and do you honestly think QF handles other operators to keep YOU in a job? Dont kid yourself! We all know the only language our near sited managers understand....$$$!

If customer aircraft are not covered and depart late, QF wears the costs. With agreements between airlines QF MUST fulfill its obligations to third party operators. If they cant they are penalised financially.

Dont forget why the bans are in place, and how they can be lifted ( short of undertaking to 'explore the potential...' baloney).

QF management hold all the answers. Treat your employees with a bit of respect and give them a descent EBA. How much pain they have to endure is up to them.

Do Not bend to the first offer gentlemen. We KNOW there's more in the kitty....how much goes into our pockets or managements pockets is upto each LAME.

Maintain the Rage.

P.S. The bans so far ARE having effect, but a 'blanket' ban will bring them to their knees.

i think that instead of lifting the bans so that qf would talk to us, we should have said we won't lift the bans until they negotiate in good faith. Stay in the drivers seat and don't blink first.

F@^KEN WEAK C*^TS the bans should of been increased once qf asked them to be lift,they will only come back with 3% because they know how weak the exec is,the meeting will be a waste of time and it will only remove any momentum we had.these twits must be removed next election

This is a load of sh1te whinge all you like our future is in good hands as long as all you sh1t stirers are only posting here.

Good hand- Who's in it
 

The only thing that will be looked after by inept exec is the company. For years they have been asked to provide a proffesional negotiator for our EBA's but all we get is a team of company orientated men. They show more balls trying to sue fellow members than standing up to the company. As far as you go MR QANTAS your protector is gone, you will be next.. To those who tried to break the overtime time bans in SYD domestic, we know who you are. Your PIMP is gone. We will never forget YOU.

looks they got an in principle agreement today, no details though when i rung the office

Looks like business as usual.

I hope that the Exec come to us with a more than reasonable offer.Otherwise what is the point of discontinuing these bans?

Has anybody heard what this in principle agreement contains.

:hmm: :yuk:

So the company can catch up on their time limited defects and then survive for another 2 months when you reject their offer, followed by another lifting of the bans ... and so on ... and so on

Stay strong and consider that the family still needs you home on these cold nights, enjoy spending more time with them with or without official bans.