Unsupervised working
 

Can anyone please clarify if unlicensed mechanics/fitters can legally work without licensed engineers present in the hangar or allocated to the aircraft being worked?
Also surely there is a safety aspect too?

Thanks

you don't actually need LAE's in a hangar, as the only CRS req'd is at the end by the C person. However practicality dictates that companies do have LAE's on the shop floor. Supervision is based on knowledge and experience of the fitter, anything from 10% to 100% as you deem necessary.

Unsupervised working
 

I see no reason why a mechanic can't do work on their own without an LAE over their shoulder. It more depends on your trust as an LAE in them. A tyre change for example wouldn't need an LAE standing around if you've got an experienced Mech team doing it, but if it's a new guy or an apprentice it might be prudent obviously.

There is a safety aspect if someone doesn't have a clue what they are doing but that applies to LAEs too !!

Safe flying
Tech log

There is no legal requirement to have regulated supervision of unlicensed personnel in the UK. The licensed engineer who certifies any work carried out by such personnel takes responsibility for the tasks.

Certainly, in most situations licensed staff will always be on duty with unlicensed mechs.

a wheel change these days is covered by a cat A so would need no LAE at all.

To certify an "A" task requires an EASA A License (where I work anyway!):ok:

yes but an A licenced mechanic can only certify their own work nobody elses. In the olden days it was 'limited and simple'! Only a B licenced engineer (technician) can sign for work done by others.
An A licence is for line work not hangar stuff!

Hmm...Fully aware of the scope of an A Licence....it was mentioned that there was no need for an LAE for A tasks (An "A" license holder is a Licensed Engineer!):eek:

Certifying Mechanic's Work.
 

Within BA, Mechanics require constant supervision by an LAE.

An A licence is a line maintenance mechanic! Not an Engineer, they can not issue a CRS for other peoples work or do trouble shooting they can only do minor scheduled maintenance i.e transit/daily/weekly and approved tasks that only they have carried out.


PART-66 /JAR-66.A.20 Privileges



(a) Subject to compliance with paragraph (b), the following privileges shall apply:

1. A category A PART-66 /JAR-66 Aircraft Maintenance License permits the holder to issue certificates of release to service following minor scheduled line maintenance and simple defect rectification within the limits of tasks specifically endorsed on the authorization. The certification privileges shall be restricted to work that the Licence holder has personally performed in a Part-145 organization.

2. A category B1 PART-66 /JAR-66 Aircraft Maintenance License shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service following maintenance, including aircraft structure, powerplant and mechanical and electrical systems. Replacement of avionic line replaceable units, requiring simple tests to prove their serviceability, shall also be included in the privileges. Category B1 shall automatically include the appropriate A subcategory.

3. A category B2 PART-66 /JAR-66 Aircraft Maintenance License shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service following maintenance on avionic and electrical systems.

4. A category C PART-66 /JAR-66 Aircraft Maintenance Licence shall permit the holder to issue certificates of release to service following base maintenance on aircraft. The privileges apply to the aircraft in its entirety in a Part-145 organization.

Mechanic or Engineer......What difference does a title make?!;)...A lot depends on what country you are working in!

Those of us in the industry fully know what an A License holder can and can't do!!:ugh:...At the end of the day they hold a license and therefore are not unlicensed personnel....which is what the original question was asking.

The title "engineer" was dropped from UK issued licenses (including B1's) when EASA Part 66 licenses started being issued.

Thx for all inputs... My current quality dept states there is no such thing as "oversigning" a mechanics task.
Just wondered how other companies are getting by...?
Company says one thing but wants us to act another! Sound familiar.

The important issue is that the person carrying out work is competent to do that work whether they are unlicensed or licensed staff. 145.A.30 (e) requires the MRO to establish and control the competence of persons involved in all aspects of maintenance. The AMC goes on to explain that the procedure should ensure the competence of all staff before they carry out unsupervised work, this includes certifying staff. A licence does not automatically equate to competence.

Boeing Eng,
Actually not, my current UK BCAR licence issued by the CAA states "Aircraft Maintenance Engineer's Licence" at the top.

Just like my good old Section L license.....(ah the delights of oral exams!).....So, to clarify....UK issued EASA 66 Licenses!:bored::bored: