@ THE HITCHER.
Just because the tools you have specified were once effective in containing a Hitcher household leak does not mean they are universally so. I would kindly ask you dwell just for a short while in thought over your keyboard before adding another such post to this and any other public forum. If you have any security related opinions that are constructive, progressive and with intent of making the working lives of those persons with whom you interact within the security environment better, happier, less stressful, and more efficient then we truly would all like to read about it. Now hear this: Would you tell a Pilot how to fly his aircraft? or a Cabin Crew member how to evacuate PAX? Having thought about about these two questions please go on to consider the previous post you have deigned reasonable fodder for public consumption and ask yourself: Is this really the best use of my time?

The Hitcher
 

& you're all falling for his wind up...........

I' m sure The Hitcher is a total (and very clever) wind-up merchant. However, there is this little thing in the back of my mind that worringly thinks he isn't!

SENIOR aviation security officer, what does that mean? That you're just a bigger dick than your colleagues?:E

FYI flight mech to attain the rank of senior aviation security officer you need to hold a level 3 SIA licence which takes a lot of study and hard work to achieve i can assure you....

Six months into my retirement............................and have a lot more interesting things on my mind than the "industry" that I left!!

Tony

Well I'll give it to you. I am assured that wind-up or not you're certainly full of your own importance. I humbly acknowledge your greatness.........:E:yuk:

The Hitcher:
also:
Do you now advise airlines on what they really need to service the aircraft, wish I had your know how on sorting out problems on a/c, could have saved myself a fortune on what I have spent at the snap-on van.


as for the quote "Takes a lot of study and hard work" which was the hardest for you?......reading or writing.

Don't worry though Arthur, you can take it all airside as long as you get interrogated by The Hitcher first followed by a letter of authorisation:E.

An Apology
 

Dear fellow Prooners,

I apologise for waking the Troll.

I thought it had been banished to the caves of the interweb.

I feel so ashamed. :O

T.

Sounds like one of the prats in security at Norwich to be honest.

mad_jock, no I think from Luton, a number of years ago, I was one of a team from Stansted, that went to Luton to recover a 727 private jet, owned by a Saudi, he had bought a new one, and left that there for about 2-3 years, now wanted to sell it. All of us had BAA passes, at the time even though working in Stansted, swipe my card on the gate at Gatwick, gate opened and let me in, no problems, only used when I was sent down. We arrived in Luton, although this had been arranged, jobsworth refused entry, when asked to phone the person who had arranged for us to be there, refused, "telephones cost money" he said, team leader put 10p on the counter, no jobsworth was not having it, great we retired to a near by pub and waited, took 4 hours to sort out. These idiots have always been around, and possibly always will.

Well I'm really glad that people like The Hitcher are posting on this forum. Not because I agree with this prat but because it shows that people like this, our enemy, truly exist. And for what it's worth, I wouldn't answer any security numpty's questions - for security reasons.

PM

Funny freaking thing is, have being a flight mechanic entering a country on a crew decleration I had full access to the shadow of my aircraft in any country I was in. Put on a set of scrubs and things got difficult. We used to wear a white shirt and epilutes when needed to return to our aircraft for MX purposes just to avoid the BS! This Hitcher joker is nothing more than a TOOL, nothing more than a SPANNER as the UK folks put it. He can allways be adjusted.

Your choice PM however if you fail to fully co-operate with security officers you and your tools will not be going anywhere until we are fully satisfied you dont pose a risk to the travelling public or the aircraft and you have a valid and very good reason for trying to get tools airside and that also goes for any other items that could be deemed to be a risk including excessive quantities of food drink etc.

Only recently due to vigilence on my part myself and a colleague intercepted an engineer blatantly trying to get a take away chinese banquet for eight through security, totally over the top ,...however in the end we relented somewhat and allowed him to take two portions of fried rice through.

I only suspected you were taking the p155 before. Now I know it.

Bravo Hitcher, bravo. Made my day. :D:D:D

I agree, the wrapping from a chinese banquet is a FOD risk. You can never be too vigilant. Good job:ok::E

You may think its a joke hovis, but if like me you had succesfully compleated a SIA level 3 security licence course you would know that certain ingredients extensivly used in chinese cuisine can when mixed with certain other items (which i cannot of course divulge here) be used to easily construct a very potent explosive device, so next time your chinese or indian take away is confiscated be aware its not because some petty minded security officer is acting in a fit of pique but thanks to his extensive training he knows the risks that seemingly innocuous items can pose.

Yes, I know we have particularly gifted individual works at our place who can produce seemingly limitless quantities of explosive gasses after consuming a couple of costco lamb bhunas! :eek:

If that ain't enough he can wander into the stores, grab a quart of mob jet 2, drain a pint of Jet a-1 from the nearest parked airplane and using his vast experience and intensive training in engineering, construct a nifty incendiary device that will make your confiiscated chinese takeaway molatov cocktail look like a damp squib on a wet friday night in Skegness!

Sorry,

Despite his "extensive training" I'll still go with the security officers second option of just acting in a "pique". Like there's nothing that we use in maintaining aircraft every day that couldn't make a potent explosive device.


By the way, I have successfully completed a SIA level 4 security licence course and use the licence to scrape the ice off my windows in the winter:E and last night one of my aircraft had a valve cap missing on arrival. I replaced it and requested a full criminal investigation to commence at the departing station.

is this guy real ?

I don't think so. It must be a wind-up. Nobody could be that stupid!

Incidently, I regularly see airside security staff chomping into a chinese or indian takeaway on a nightshift. Maybe I should report it to the DFT. Security staff or not they shouldn't be eating a potent explosive device airside.

Given the number of otherwise pleasant villages in Suffolk, it is not unreasonable to assume one, at least, is the residence of an idiot.

However, leaving anthropology to one side let us have a look at this fabled Level 3 certificate, the one that, seemingly in contrast to say a mere engiineer for example, takes, erm, about 3 days to complete ( and note the intellectual content of "true / false" for the exam at the end...) and costs, in comparison to mere engineers, very little shall we say.

Level 3 Delivering Physical Intervention in the Private Security Industry Training

Now, try as I may ( and being a mere engineer please note ) I have read the documentation extensively and ( this may come as a shock to other mere engineers on here ) cannot actually find any reference or indeed requirement to be fully conversant ( as mere engineers are ) with aircraft maintenance procedures and the associated tools and equipment to carry out these procedures.

Please note, I have not included the training period and post training experience required for mere engineers in this search.

It stands to reason therefore that, with the award of a certificate after a 3 day course, a senior security officer is far more qualified to pass comment on, and indeed participate in, the requirements pertaining to mere engineers and their professional occupation, including the trivial detail of legal certification of the aforementioned procedures.

Edited to say that NO cynicism, sarcasm, denigration or defamation of character was included or intended in the above post.

Which does, of course, beg the rather irritating, and probably irrelevant ( from his perspective ) question for the poster in question.

Would you care to offer ALL of us mere engineers, a comprehensive resume of your engineering background and qualifications please....it could save us all so much angst you understand and indeed, we, and the world, are in thrall as to the basis for the views you have so kindly posted on here.

Feel free to take your time and become conversant with a spell checker when compiling your answer.

Ah well, another TOOL on the tick list.

Good luck guys, so glad I jumped ship, my service van doesn't go through this crap on wind turbine sites.

GR.

Mr Chips i have no qualifications whatsoever in engineering which is why if confronted with a engineer trying to sneak a toolbox airside we insist on a letter of authorisation clearly stating just why he needs so many tools , people do not im sure realise what a danger tools can be airside, in the wrong hands they can pose a very serious security threat indeed which is why we are very alert to the dangers of engineers trying to blag there way airside with all manner of dangerous items.
However dont get me wrong, if the engineer is being sensible and has only one or two basic tools in his possesion, a torch and a pair of pliers for example that is not a problem, ...common sense has to prevail.

HaHa your brilliant. "Sneak a toolbox airside" I admire you. Thank god caterers don't "sneak catering airside" or fuellers "sneak fuel airside". All your posts seem to be about engineers and never about anyone else who goes airside (fuellers, cleaners, loaders etc). I think you are a little green-eyed monster. Now go study for your level 4. By the way, "common sense" doesn't come into a security officers vocabulary anyway so don't pretend you of all people have some!

I'm ashamed you're from Suffolk

I with draw my acusation that hitch is security at Norwich.

He is showing a far too developed intelligent sense of humour.

And not letting Avionics Engineers near an aircraft with any sharp objects in there possession seems quite sensible actually.

So Hitcher next time i got to change an IDG or Fuel Pump on a 320 or 737 i will take a screwdriver , a plier , a monkey wrench and an angle grinder.
No need to take my expensive toolbox that i bought with my own money that will make my life easier or custom made tooling approved by my QA for specific tasks for instance, so that i don't have to take apart:mad: half of the engine.

I think people are getting a little carried away here, there is no problem whatsover getting any tools airside as long as the security professionals involved are satisfied the engineers concerned have boni fide reason for taking their tools airside, Provided one can prove without reasonable doubt that those tools are really required and not just "a nice to have item" and do not pose a threat to life and limb or the aircraft involved then all is well on our side

Some people just post on pprune with unbelieveable tekkers:D

Line Mx people don't know whats coming @ them. that is aviation.
The machine arrives @ the gate in the state it is in
Our job is to get it fixed or sorted by morning.

SH!T happens . How is one to provide adequate and timely maintenance. when raked over the coals as some (A$$....l whatever) decides if an RVSM test box passes muster, despite the fact the individual would have a hard time differentiating it from a toaster.
In order to be efficient........ maintenace personelle need tools available at their feet so they can deal with the situation/conundrum before them.
An excelent instructor from a few years ago, gave us all a few words of wisom

1 You never know what yer gonna need, if ya can carry it bring it!!.Odds are if you didn't yer gonna need it!!
2The best way to maintain an erection is not to fu(k with it. IE don't mess with a functional system unless you must


$0.02

Every time I went thru security, my blood pressure went sky high. After reading Hitcher posts, I quite sympathy with most junior security ppl trained by so called high ranking Hitcher.

You pay peanut, you get monkey.

One day monkey can change a engine with a screw driver and a few spanners.

Hitcher isn't high ranking, he just believes he is! He just has an envy issue with engineers:E

Just doing my duty FM, as long as engineers insist on trying to flout regulations and attempt to smuggle tools, boxes of teabags, take aways, flasks of soup etc airside we will have to remain highly vigilant, I even had one chap recently trying to get a large carrot cake airside ,....claimed it was his birthday!!... just how stupid do you think security officers are??

Do you really want me to answer that...VERY ******* STUPID:E

Engineers this, engineers that. What a fantastic job you do for £7 an hour:ok:

Have to go now, have to put together todays smuggling plan. I'm thinking a nice chicken chow-mein, rice and a spring roll, cunningly disguised as a torch, screwdriver and a pair of pliers. You do humour me. Keep it up, hugely entertaining.

Of course its a bloody wind-up

Hitcher, if you just kept the wrong people out, then we could take all our tools, takeaways and tea airside without the risk of irresponsible use or even purposeful misuse. Keep an eye out for the baddies.

Restore the balance of power
 

The reason that security have become so powerful is there has been no control of their paranoid antics, for too long they have been judge and jury in their own court. The politicians don't dare restrain them in case they are seen by the press as being weak on terrorists so security can invent all sorts of new ideas. The numptys at the bottom love these powers and use them as only someone who's life is so empty can, the bosses invent these ideas so that they can make more money by employing more low grade numptys to enforce the ungraded rules.

For the first time in living memory the government has started an inquiry into aviation security, the results of this enquiry will form the basis if future security regulation.

The most important part of this for us is to have a formal complaint procedure that is independent of the airport security system.

To this end it has been proposed that CHIRP is given a formal role as a security watchdog.

I would recommend that you all go to latest edition of CHIRP and follow the links to the government security enquiry website and make your views known.

It is quite clear that the last thing that the security industry wants is an independent body monitoring their antics so your input to this enquiry is vital if you want some sort of control over this issue.

I have made my submission to the enquiry I urge you all to do the same, an hour on the computer will save you years of future trouble !

Hi, A and C

I agree absolutely and would log in CHIRP to view my feeling.

P/s I nearly had my digital camera stopped at security check point for contempt of taking airport photos in breach of security until I protested that my mobile had a built in camera.

May be I could be arrested as a rapist cos I have a prxxk.

Guys, guys, guys....Hitcher is not for real. He is a poor soul who enjoys playing on the net because he can remain anonymous. Just let him alone. He will go away and find another venue.