Aircraft Engineering HELP
 

im a 20 yr old student currently in the final year of EASA Part 66 "A" Licence two year course. i've searched for A licenced jobs on the net but the only one that comes up is for B licence holders. i applied for apprenticeships last year but they turn me down because i held some modules of EASA A licence. im thinking of joining kingston uni to read the combined B licence and foundation degree but i think it is a bad idea with out hand on experience.
can any experienced engineers please give me a word of wise about the possible ways of getting into the industry.

thanks :)

Hi tache
I'm not an experienced person but i joined the industry 2 years ago and I reckon you made the wrong decision by going for an A license wihout being into the industry as a mech.
And even with a B license it would still be rather difficult to get into the industry especially in the uk given the current recession and the fact that you're lacking the nesesary working experience that renders you ellegible to be an engineer.
Anyways, Perhaps you better apply for a mechanic post initially then work your way up to engineering, I'm sure they won't turn you down if you do so.
Just get a mech experience of 4 to 5 years with a B license then you'll be more employable.

thanks for ur quick response Flame.

i have wrote to the companies enquiring about the vacancies and offered to work for a peroid of time unpaid but the reply i got was "we havent got any, we will keep your details in our file for future".

Because it's like I said experience is everything in this industry.
you might try knocking on thier doors instead of sending your CV try talking to the HR in person I'm sure you'll find desirable response.
It would be better if you get a job as an aircrafts mechanic but if not I'd say go to working for free.
And you might aswell have to relocate if needs must, I know a few people here in bahrain from oman that relocated to work here to get the required experience, Try applying at outside companies.
Good luck

work for free
 

work for free , :* , kids , you are downgrading our job !!!
for free , i stay at home ...

All I can say is try and get in somewhere as a connie. You will be lucky though. The recession and aftermath is showing the complete downfall of the college sector asd an entry into the industry. I work with a guy who did an "A" licence course and he is worse than a first year apprentice. He just doesn't know anything and has to be shown..

Matmax, you are such a plank..

Whats wrong with you matmax?
I worked for free for 6 months untill they resigned themselves to hire me, If they didn't I would have worked even for 2 years for free since thats what I need to obtain my b2 license.
If you really like your job and are serious about having a good start does it matter?

Thank you Ratman but what do you mean ?
You can PM me , not to disturb this thread.
fb , i understand your problem ... but you will easily understand mine when i will tell you that even after getting the License and many types on it , the only jobs that you will find will be badly paid and in fact , nobody wants to go for them ...
You are young so you are maybe staying with your parents but older guys have kids to feed and loans to pay ...
Ratman is right about working as a connie because thats the only way to get a job nowadays... no other solutions !
Whats wrong with me fb ?
I guess nothing special ... but does somebody else can tell me if he will work for free !!!
In French :" toute peine merite salaire" !
Translation :"the labourer is worthy of his hire" , isn't he ?
Do not be surprised to get only some bad salaries when you will maybe find a job ...
Rgds.

As much as I hate to agree with my old buddy Madmax he is correct. You need to take a wider more longer term perspective to this.

With the recent press statements from Boeing and Airbus about needing 500,000 technicians etc. you need to ask from where?

Where are the training schools, where are the apprenticeships?

More fool you no matter how desperate if you work for free and at the same time you are in fact damaging the industry and not improving it. Slavery ended a long time ago. Its time to wake up.

Thank you "my old buddy" SC ...
"Slavery ended a long time ago" , yes in 1794 in France and you know also what happened in 1789 but not sure that it is the case everywhere in the world ...
Maybe , some countries are "late" ?!
" Its time to wake up" , totally agree with you and i am fighting for it already ...
Rgds.

Thats your perspective people because you're already employed and experienced.
But for people like me and tache we have to put up with the slavery so you can't generalize your situation onto the industry.
If he couldn't make the cut to an apprenticeship, and couldn't be hired and he has the A license already but of no use owing to the defeciency of experience and that needs to be validated by some experience, what else do you advise him to do apart from working for free?
It's definitely not the nice recommendation that matmax offered which was ''for free , i stay at home ... ''.
He has to show some deligence in the beginning of his career if he wants to get in especially in the current hard time and extreme difficulty to finding a job for someone like him and me with practically no experience in the industry.
I consider myself lucky for finding a job but if I was him I would definitely work for free for the required amount of time to fullfill the EASA requirments to holding a B license without any complaint.
Before griping about us working for free take a minute of your time and put yourself in our shoe, what else would you do apart from working for free and staying home if there are no jobs to none experienced people whatsoever?

In your shoes I would move to a different industry. That may sound harsh but the effects of your behaviour will ultimately destroy aviation.

There is a responsibility on employers to provide training to meet their manpower requirements just like any other industry. If they are unable or unwilling to provide for people like you whilst selling tickets for stupidly low prices then they need to suffer the consequences of low manpower.

All your behaviour will achieve is to lower wages and put others under pressure to accept less. That means you will be accepting less all your working life.

You are young and will recover. Find a different job

I'm sorry but you're not so much providing solutions as providing demoralizations.
It's too late brother he already did his A license course and has to do something about it he can't just succumb and move to another industry your advice would of been benefecial if it came before he resorts to the A license course but now that he did go to the 2 years course and spent 2 years of his life you better help him out instead of trying dishearten him.
I know he still has a chance there is always a way if there is a will.
And by the way the industry is in a recession currently but there will definitelly be a recovery sometime in the future.

fb,
you might be right about my experience ...
but FYI , if you did not understand already , I AM UNEMPLOYED , ok ?
Do i need to remind you about my Licenses ?
As i do not want to downgrade my "Brothers Engineers" , i am refusing jobs badly paid , did you copy that ?
Rgds.

Flamebringer, don't misunderstand me I do sympathize but long term you are chasing a dream that has already died. The aviation industry WAS great, it was interesting it was enjoyable BUT it has now lost its way.

All that counts now is money over everything else. Everything is being pushed down to the lowest levels including wages and ticket prices.

To meet the demand of future aircraft sales this situation will only get worse unless people like madmax refuse to work for insulting wages and youngsters like you move to other industries if no PAID work is available. Without this attitude there is absolutely no hope.

Its hard, but its the truth. Seek an industry that respects those who work in it unlike the aviation industry which has been abusing those who work in it for many years now.

In every industry there is some belitllement to newcomers with no expertise not just in aviation, If we grow up this attitude of ''Oh i ain't accepting low wages'' We wouldn't get by in any other industry.
I have no idea how did you form this perspective of ''working for free downgrades the industry and lowers your wages'' but I see it completly diffrent, Those free workers are just people that want the experience for the license application and most definitely employers are well aware of it we're not licensed engineers with 10 years experience demanding free working, And I certainly wouldn't aquiesce free work if I had the experience but seeing as we're new comers and experience is the most essential thing in this industry I see no harm in working for free.
Back in time when I worked for six months I didn't regret any unpaid moment I spent in the industry and the only concern I had is learning.
The industry is not dead If it's really dead like you claimed you wouldn't see aircrafts flying anymore.

It may come as a surprise flamebringer but not everybody in the industry is licensed. Every position you and your type take for free is PREVENTING an unlicensed mechanic getting a paid job.

There should be no such thing as unpaid work in the 21st century. The industry needs you more than you need them. It is your inexperience that prevents you seeing that.

With not enough technicians for current in service aircraft how do you consider working for free will help? Aviation is no longer willing to pay, support or to train the very people it needs. That says everything about this industry.

Working for free under any circumstances is a fools game. Even if you don't see that today or tomorrow it will bite you back during your career and you will regret not listening.

I do understand you want to get into this industry and I do understand that you need experience. I am suggesting you dump the lot and find an industry more worthy of your attitude and skills.

I know my message is unwelcome but its true. Its just like me telling you not to marry the woman you love because she has aids and is a prostitute.
Hard but true message which you won't thank me for today but will thank me for in the future. (obviously I don't mean this literally in your case)

Safety concern i'm not working for free anymore I'm employed now, How do you account for that?
I see the industry growing in where I live, The goverment is working towards launching a new base maintanance company for gulfair called gulf technics which will provide atleast 5000 vacancies for newcomers.
It's true that in the uk the industry is not as good as it should be but I'm sure it will get better sometime and based on what iv heard from seniors this industry is very cycilical and it certainly is in the uk just like how it's gotten better after a recession in where I live.
''leave the industry'' Is not a valid advice anymore since we're already in the industry and there are no exit doors.
MATMAX I didn't know you're unemployed but you just summed it all up when you said I don't accept any job as to your unemployment, It's not because the industry is dead.

Flamebringer why do think the numbers of people willing to work in the middle east for the offered sums is declining?

It isn't cyclical its helixical. It is spiralling down. A job is one aspect, the terms and conditions are the other.

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

Will the fight between older experience guys and younger less experienced guys ever end?! :=