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Sonic Bam 9th May 2010 16:08

Volcanic Ash - what have you found
 
A lot of us will have been involved in volcanic ash inspections / maintenance and working day to day on operational aircraft. What have you seen or found relating to this?

For me, I have not found anything yet or had feedback of high silicon content in any of oil samples taken or oil filters changed. I have heard from friends at other opertors of dust found in stagnant air positions and high silicon count in oil.

Would be interested in hear what other people are finding, if anything.

brooksjg 10th May 2010 09:01

And what about sulphur content in oil? High sulphur dioxide levels are usually found alongside VA in the air. And ash particles in (heat-exchanger, ...) filters?
Are you checking these? (see NASA DC-8 Ash incident report - apparently sulphur tests are / were not usually done on engine oil....)

spannersatcx 10th May 2010 18:58

Nothing found yet.

TURIN 11th May 2010 08:39

Me too, not a dicky bird.... oops sorry no pun intended. :ok:

itsresidualmate 16th May 2010 01:17

I've also found absolutely nothing through dozens of inspections. Has anyone actually found ash deposits?!

Who is deeming that flight through 'volcanic ash' is unsafe? Has anyone got limits from engine/airframe manufacturers stating how many parts per million of ash will cause damage to their components? My knowledge of it is that even if ash was encountered in low concentrations it would only cause greater wear on engines and abrade windows/airframe structure, not cause the aircraft to plummet earthward. Shouldn't this be a cost decision on the part of the airlines, not the Met Office?!

brooksjg 16th May 2010 10:29


I've also found absolutely nothing through dozens of inspections
see http://www.pprune.org/engineers-tech...detection.html.

Maybe there IS evidence but not where people are looking!


if ash was encountered in low concentrations it would only cause greater wear on engines
errrr....
Don't forget the potential impact of ash accumulation in the turbine hot-section cooling channels. More to do with overheating than just 'wear'!

Are filters (oil filters from engines, air filters from engines and other parts of the a/c, ...) being sent for chemical / microscopic analysis?

Fargoo 16th May 2010 13:38


Are filters (oil filters from engines, air filters from engines and other parts of the a/c, ...) being sent for chemical / microscopic analysis?
Yes at least at my airline.

itsresidualmate 16th May 2010 15:39

My question still stands; Has anybody actually found evidence? In fact, in the past month have we engineers found any evidence that volcanic ash could have come close to bringing an aircraft down? Remember, the safest way to operate aircraft is never to actually fly them!


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