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Techman 15th Aug 1998 02:51

Tech question of the week.
 
Why do air trapped in a brake cause it to become hotter than normal ?.

A winner will be drawn from all correct answers, and announced next week.

capslock 15th Aug 1998 04:42

My suggestion: 1. air is a worse conductor of heat energy than the brake fluid which is supposed to be in its place. 2. Air is relatively compressible compared to brake fluid, compression results in temp. increase with a corresponding temp. increase of the brakes.
Any good? I bet the cheque's in the post already!

mustafagander 15th Aug 1998 10:45

Techie,
I assume you mean air in the brake hydraulic line. In that case, when brakes applied the air would be compressed. When hyd brake press released the air would tend to expand and voila - a dragging brake. Also heat from the brake pack would tend to make the air expand in the line. In an older system with lockout deboosters - a la B707 - said air certainly cannot escape, not too sure about modern systems.
How'd I do, coach???

woftam 16th Aug 1998 03:55

Thanx for the memories Mustafagander.Lockout deboosters eh.In the green band and all that.
How about Q bellows for another blast from the past.
Sorry ,I digress.Air in the brakes?
Dunno.

Rigger 9th Nov 1998 22:29

On the older a/c using Master cylinder (light a/c) pressure is a direct function of the force applied using our foot. With air trap in the line it may well expand with temperature especially during brake application. This energy would then be absorb by the brake fluid and subsequently by the trap air. Because the brake system is a close loop, the heat absorb by the air may well cause it to expand and increase the fluid press within the close loop causing the caliper to perhaps lightly grip on the wheel rotor when foot pressure has been remove. This grip may be to light to be felt in the cockpit but may well be sufficient to generate heat during the taxi roll to bay after landing preventing the heat from the landing to be decipated in the normal rate resulting in hotter brake.

Well...er....how did I do?

woftam 10th Nov 1998 13:57

O.K I'll have a go.
I assume we are talking about a sophisticated system with anti-skid?
If this is the case,because of the compressibility of the air trapped in the line when a "release" signal is received from the anti-skid system only a partial release is achieved. i.e. a "dragging" brake.
Well?

woftam 26th Nov 1998 14:20

Hello,anybody home?
Hey Techman,don't keep us in suspenders!

Justa Breeze 1st Dec 1998 14:35

Since when has air trapped in a brake system caused hot brakes.?

mustafagander 2nd Dec 1998 05:35

Justa,
I'd estimate that this first occured shortly after the first time juice brakes were changed in a hurry. It's possible any time brake lines are opened and not properly bled afterwards. Remember air is compressible, hydraulic fluid is not.

spanners 3rd Dec 1998 17:04

You'd also get very poor braking!

The air which is being compressed gets hot as a result of the compression, as gander says, Hyd fluid is not compressible (for all intents and purposes), but air is.
Regards


Techman 14th Feb 2004 09:55

Yes. That is correct.

WEBLUEIT 17th Feb 2004 00:02

Often air in brake systems produces a dragging brake which can make the unit hot. It can also degrade the operation of the unit forcing its partner on the same axle to work harded particuarly with anti skid thus increasing that units temp. Its always advisable to treat a hot brake unit as suspect likewise its partner on the same axle.

Wizzo the Wonderful 17th Feb 2004 00:53

I can't believe you guys answered the question. It was posted in 1998 and obviously moved from another forum.

Blacksheep 18th Feb 2004 10:54

I suppose this is all about the car type brakes on puddle jumpers? I'm watching these dirty great Boeings, fitted with heat shields to keep the heat from the carbon brakes melting the beads on the tyres, as they do their landing roll with brakes glowing in the dark. The question of the week for next week is: How's a bit of air in the brake cylinder going to make them any hotter than white hot?

DoctorA300 19th Feb 2004 02:17

Blackie,
As you should know :E air is not as good a heat conductor as fluids, therefor the heat dissipation through the fluid would be less if said fluid turned out to be air :8 :8 :8
alright a bit academic i know, but I am bored
Brgds
Doc

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