B1/B2 licence in 2 years with an A320 type rating
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B1/B2 licence in 2 years with an A320 type rating
This will probably get deleted by the mods through advertising restrictions within Pprune but mods please only edit out any transgressions as it is an unbelievable course advertised on Aviation Job Search well worthy of discussion.
Age 18+? No experience? Train to be an EASA B1/B2 licensed engineer + A320 T/R + B.Eng degree in Europe (non-UK) - CAET
In a nutshell, Brookfield Aviation are advertising a course which will gain you a B1/B2 or both in 2 years and also an A320 type rating and I quote from the advert "allowing you to start working and earning money as an EASA licensed engineer right away". No experience necessary. I wish it was that easy in my day!
After the 2 year course I would predict a 100% failure rate and a lot of people duped out of course fees. Even if there was a pass amongst the students.....who the hell would employ them?
Age 18+? No experience? Train to be an EASA B1/B2 licensed engineer + A320 T/R + B.Eng degree in Europe (non-UK) - CAET
In a nutshell, Brookfield Aviation are advertising a course which will gain you a B1/B2 or both in 2 years and also an A320 type rating and I quote from the advert "allowing you to start working and earning money as an EASA licensed engineer right away". No experience necessary. I wish it was that easy in my day!
After the 2 year course I would predict a 100% failure rate and a lot of people duped out of course fees. Even if there was a pass amongst the students.....who the hell would employ them?
What happened to the minimum 3 years experience? Even that is not enough in my opinion.
Personally I did not feel confident to be certifying as an A & C licensed engineer until I had about 10 years experience. I held limited approvals before this but not full certifying rights.
Personally I did not feel confident to be certifying as an A & C licensed engineer until I had about 10 years experience. I held limited approvals before this but not full certifying rights.
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" an unbelievable course "
And...
"After the 2 year course I would predict a 100% failure rate and a lot of people duped out of course fees. Even if there was a pass amongst the students.....who the hell would employ them "
Those two statements alone pretty much summate this "enticing" offer.....and enticing is a key word I would suggest, given the number of people who post on here as to how to become an engineer.
The old maxim, "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is " springs to mind, as does that well known adage " never assume, always check".
The time scale alone.... a mere two years !.....should set alarm bells ringing at a high decibel level for a start.
It would be more than a little interesting therefore, to find out...
(a ) where the course is being conducted and under which regulatory authority.
(b) A copy of the syllabus that can take an individual from zero experience to being a trained and qualified ( allegedly ) engineer in the space of two years.
You've opened a nice can of worms here Spannerhead.....well done mate !
And...
"After the 2 year course I would predict a 100% failure rate and a lot of people duped out of course fees. Even if there was a pass amongst the students.....who the hell would employ them "
Those two statements alone pretty much summate this "enticing" offer.....and enticing is a key word I would suggest, given the number of people who post on here as to how to become an engineer.
The old maxim, "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is " springs to mind, as does that well known adage " never assume, always check".
The time scale alone.... a mere two years !.....should set alarm bells ringing at a high decibel level for a start.
It would be more than a little interesting therefore, to find out...
(a ) where the course is being conducted and under which regulatory authority.
(b) A copy of the syllabus that can take an individual from zero experience to being a trained and qualified ( allegedly ) engineer in the space of two years.
You've opened a nice can of worms here Spannerhead.....well done mate !
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The course is in Croatia, presumably leading to the issue of a Croatia Part 66.
http://brookfieldav.com/wp-content/u...Prospectus.pdf
http://brookfieldav.com/wp-content/u...Prospectus.pdf
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Thanks for the link....it made "interesting reading" and in particular the time scales. Makes me wonder how much is V.L.E based in fact ( Virtual Learning Environment in case anybody has not yet encountered this format aka a tablet in effect.....which actually works quite well, IF, the support infrastructure and management will are also in place. ) because I fail to see how, with the periods quoted, the information and training can only be at best minimal basic theory.
Thanks for the link....it made "interesting reading" and in particular the time scales. Makes me wonder how much is V.L.E based in fact ( Virtual Learning Environment in case anybody has not yet encountered this format aka a tablet in effect.....which actually works quite well, IF, the support infrastructure and management will are also in place. ) because I fail to see how, with the periods quoted, the information and training can only be at best minimal basic theory.
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Here's another one....A little nearer to home for the UK based wannabe LAE. 9 grand a year for a 2 year course and 3 grand for 12 weeks of work experience.
BSc (Hons) Aircraft Maintenance Engineering
The 12 weeks of work experience gives the student a 3 year reduction in their experience requirement, otherwise they'll need 5 years experience.
40 years ago it took me a 4 year theory and practical apprenticeship plus a few years of turning spanners before I even felt remotely confident to apply for a section L. How times have changed!
I've just watched the video link and it seems that the course is sponsored by the worlds favourite airline.
BSc (Hons) Aircraft Maintenance Engineering
The 12 weeks of work experience gives the student a 3 year reduction in their experience requirement, otherwise they'll need 5 years experience.
40 years ago it took me a 4 year theory and practical apprenticeship plus a few years of turning spanners before I even felt remotely confident to apply for a section L. How times have changed!
I've just watched the video link and it seems that the course is sponsored by the worlds favourite airline.
Add water and stir LAE's!
The race to the bottom is indeed well underway!.....Had the privilege of working with a so called B1 with a license issued from a southern European country last year!....I would't have trusted him to pump up car tyres!
The race to the bottom is indeed well underway!.....Had the privilege of working with a so called B1 with a license issued from a southern European country last year!....I would't have trusted him to pump up car tyres!
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On the other hand, i've seen way better unlicenced mechs than LAME's(whatever the part of EU and non EU they came from)
Licence is one thing, what you do or able to do with is another
ps: one stupid guy does not represent the other people of his country, and this count on every aspect
Licence is one thing, what you do or able to do with is another
ps: one stupid guy does not represent the other people of his country, and this count on every aspect
cedgz...... this thread is clearly about the eroding standards as far as licensing and experience is concerned in the industry. I expressed my view and I stand by it!
If you feel that standards are not declining then that is certainly news to me and many that I know in the industry!
If you feel that standards are not declining then that is certainly news to me and many that I know in the industry!
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Licence is one thing, what you do or able to do with is another
ps: one stupid guy does not represent the other people of his country, and this count on every aspect "
To be fair, that's perfectly true.....however.....as boeing eng also points out, the erosion of standards and the criteria for both training potential engineers and their subsequent employment is equally valid.
I am bemused as to how 12 weeks " O.J.T" experience can be classed as the equivalent of 3 years experience for example.
Presumably, in this 12 week period, the trainee engineers encounter the whole range of problems experienced in either a Line or Base environment then ?.....erm, NO. And lets not forget that OJT also supplies a convenient source of cheap labour for an operator...albeit supervised of course, but still a useful source.
There's also a developing, and very disturbing to be blunt, trend towards the financial exploitation of potential engineers...now whose going to be the main beneficiary there I wonder ?
That, and whilst it undoubtedly benefits a student, the increasing use of VLE to reduce direct training times is also detrimental to gaining practical experience.
Licence is one thing, what you do or able to do with is another
ps: one stupid guy does not represent the other people of his country, and this count on every aspect "
To be fair, that's perfectly true.....however.....as boeing eng also points out, the erosion of standards and the criteria for both training potential engineers and their subsequent employment is equally valid.
I am bemused as to how 12 weeks " O.J.T" experience can be classed as the equivalent of 3 years experience for example.
Presumably, in this 12 week period, the trainee engineers encounter the whole range of problems experienced in either a Line or Base environment then ?.....erm, NO. And lets not forget that OJT also supplies a convenient source of cheap labour for an operator...albeit supervised of course, but still a useful source.
There's also a developing, and very disturbing to be blunt, trend towards the financial exploitation of potential engineers...now whose going to be the main beneficiary there I wonder ?
That, and whilst it undoubtedly benefits a student, the increasing use of VLE to reduce direct training times is also detrimental to gaining practical experience.
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The offer is a con; if the course is being run as a fully-approved Basic Training course in a Part 147-approved facility it must. repeat must include at least 1200 classroom hours of structured tuition, plus 800 hours of Practical workshop training in an approved teaching workshop (which is neither OJT nor work experience) and plus 400 hours of structured, supervised OJT.
Completion of the Basic Training course results in the issue of a Basic Training Certificate. The holder must also complete 2 years FULL-TIME relevant work experience before applying for a Part 66 AME Licence.
It is simply not possible to do all that in 2 years!
The only other possibility is that the course is being run as a "non-approved" course. If so, the only need is for students to pass all the Module examinations, but they must complete a minimum 5 years work experience.
So, once again, the course cannot comply with EASA requirements.
It will be interesting to see how the details of the proposal gets round these difficulties, and I'll do some work on that, out of idle curiosity.
For the moment, no-one should pay one penny/cent/sou/whatever to this outfit.
Completion of the Basic Training course results in the issue of a Basic Training Certificate. The holder must also complete 2 years FULL-TIME relevant work experience before applying for a Part 66 AME Licence.
It is simply not possible to do all that in 2 years!
The only other possibility is that the course is being run as a "non-approved" course. If so, the only need is for students to pass all the Module examinations, but they must complete a minimum 5 years work experience.
So, once again, the course cannot comply with EASA requirements.
It will be interesting to see how the details of the proposal gets round these difficulties, and I'll do some work on that, out of idle curiosity.
For the moment, no-one should pay one penny/cent/sou/whatever to this outfit.
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Presumably if the modules are Part 147 Approved, completion of the course and training programme, could, if the training is considered part of the 5 years total experience, allow someone to carry out this course, complete a further 3 years OJT/experience in a Part 145 and then apply for a UK Part 66.
If this is the case there doesn't seem to be much benefit, it costs 26K euros plus expenses, for a Croatian licence. Much better to look at the established routes in the UK.
If this is the case there doesn't seem to be much benefit, it costs 26K euros plus expenses, for a Croatian licence. Much better to look at the established routes in the UK.
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Boeing eng:
12 weeks to replace 3 years is a total BS to me, but i pointed out your reflexion to the idiot you worked with.
And yes, standards are declining, and this at every level.
cheers and best regards,
12 weeks to replace 3 years is a total BS to me, but i pointed out your reflexion to the idiot you worked with.
And yes, standards are declining, and this at every level.
cheers and best regards,
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if the training is considered part pf the 5 years work experience
5 years work experience CAN be combined with preparing for and taking the Module examinations, and many people do this. But the work experience must be full-time and relevant, so the study and exams must be in the student's own time.
The only things that need to be paid for are the home study material, possibly some short intensive courses for each Module (ie a week or two at most) and the Examination fees.
