Bogus engineer convicted
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glad he was convicted. To think that all those lives were in jepardy because of his personal wants is beyond beliefe.
Anyone know how he was rumbled and what his scentence will be??
Anyone know how he was rumbled and what his scentence will be??
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Yes, good to see the law catching up with talk it up tim (I've been told that was his nickname during his apprenticeship). I think its going a bit far to say peoples "lives were in Jeopardy" though. Never worked with him, but I have come across some LAME's who are very scary in action! Who's to say Tim was not a good engineer? A fraud, yes, a bad engineer? Who knows.
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Why is there no central clearing house for these types of professions.
We all have to go through CRB, should there not be the same professional checks for FC, Engineers and CC. Once you have passed your exams and been certified, then you get put on the list by the accrediting body. At the time of taking a new post, then a certificate is required from the clearing house in the same manner.
If there is then I stand corrected, if there is not then why not.
We all have to go through CRB, should there not be the same professional checks for FC, Engineers and CC. Once you have passed your exams and been certified, then you get put on the list by the accrediting body. At the time of taking a new post, then a certificate is required from the clearing house in the same manner.
If there is then I stand corrected, if there is not then why not.
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There certainly are rigorous procedures in place, quite how this airline allowed this to happen is quite amazing, their QA people need a serious looking at imo
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Yes, good to see the law catching up with talk it up tim (I've been told that was his nickname during his apprenticeship). I think its going a bit far to say peoples "lives were in Jeopardy" though. Never worked with him, but I have come across some LAME's who are very scary in action! Who's to say Tim was not a good engineer? A fraud, yes, a bad engineer? Who knows.
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Worked with a guy (Brit) several years ago who to be honest was useless I questioned his qualifications with my boss several times only to be told all was okay, He moved onto another company and was tasked to go to ZUR or GEV to inspect a tail strike on a B747-200F he signed it of as within AMM limits the A/C returned to MUC where it was inspected by the Feds he was then checked out as the damage was way beyond limits, subsequently busted but no prosecution (WTF???) last I heard He was running a pub in Kent for those of you who have an idea who I am talking about his initials are GH top bloke but a fraudster with no technical training never the less and I was glad he was caught.
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Quite agree. Who needs a licence? Same should apply to pilots, ATC and the rest. Think of the money saved.
The point is that just because someone is licenced, doesn't mean they are a good engineer. Likewise, just because someone is not licenced, doesn't mean they are a bad engineer.
TM has been proven a fraud, but have we proven that he was incompetent? Two very different things. I'm not defending him. He has been dealt with appropriately and got what he deserved. Just find it a bit over the top that people carry on as though he was trying to cause a crash.
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...but have we proven that he was incompetent?
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seems he has not learnt his lesson yet
Fake Qantas engineer offered false references - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Fake Qantas engineer offered false references - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
way to go Tim 
is it true he has started the EASA conversion process 
To quote a UK CAA surveyor "a licence is an instrument for certifying aircraft it is not a qualification".
Levels of skill and competance have never been examined, although the oral examination was a good tool for guaging an individual.
The airlines continue to put pressure on the airworthiness authorities to dump the licensed engineers who are seen as too expensive and having too much autonomy.
Levels of skill and competance have never been examined, although the oral examination was a good tool for guaging an individual.
The airlines continue to put pressure on the airworthiness authorities to dump the licensed engineers who are seen as too expensive and having too much autonomy.
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The reason for having licences is proof of competence
Unfortunately nowadays a licence only proves competence in memorising a few hundred questions and answers that you found on the internet
The reason for having licences is proof of competence
Unfortunately nowadays a licence only proves competence in memorising a few hundred questions and answers that you found on the internet
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Unfortunately nowadays a licence only proves competence in memorising a few hundred questions and answers that you found on the internet
Part 145.30(e) Personnel Requirements
The organisation shall establish and control the competence of personnel involved in any maintenance, management and/or quality audits in accordance with a procedure and to a standard agreed by the competent authority.
AMC 145.A.30(e) Personnel requirements
1. The referenced procedure requires amongst others that planners, mechanics, specialised services staff, supervisors and certifying staff are assessed for competence by 'on the job' evaluation and/or by examination relevant to their particular job role within the organisation before unsupervised work is permitted. A record of the qualification and competence assessment should be kept.
Competence should be continually assessed in an approved organisation as the relevant Regs point out and this includes certifying staff. I wonder just how many organistions would stand close scrutiny on this subject?
The organisation shall establish and control the competence of personnel involved in any maintenance, management and/or quality audits in accordance with a procedure and to a standard agreed by the competent authority.
AMC 145.A.30(e) Personnel requirements
1. The referenced procedure requires amongst others that planners, mechanics, specialised services staff, supervisors and certifying staff are assessed for competence by 'on the job' evaluation and/or by examination relevant to their particular job role within the organisation before unsupervised work is permitted. A record of the qualification and competence assessment should be kept.
Competence should be continually assessed in an approved organisation as the relevant Regs point out and this includes certifying staff. I wonder just how many organistions would stand close scrutiny on this subject?
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I am unlicenced but my "chip" is not because of this. It is through my own lack of effort that I am not licenced yet. I have, however, completed all relevant CASA examinations and have collected SOE for a few aircraft types. With any luck, I will be licenced within the next 12 months. (Luck, as we do not even know if there will be any type training in the near future... these days, moving forward, raising the bar, whats good for the business = many AME's and very few LAME's).
Yes, I have a "chip" on my shoulder if you would like to put it that way. I have seen over the years, several LAME's that are nothing short of dangerous. (I haven't necessarily worked with them, but I have seen them). Unfortuately, these individuals are often "carried" by the rest of us, (LAME's and even AME's).
Pass the exams, collect the SOE, become a LAME. If you are adapt to parrot learning, you pass the exams quickly. SOE? Just because you are involved in the task, does not mean you fully understand it! In the end, it's up to the LAME certifying to ensure that the AME understands the task before signing his SOE book.
So how is this relevant to Talk it up Timmy? The ultimate question is why was it not so bloody obvious to the LAME's he worked with, that he was not licenced?
Could it be that incompetent LAME's are that common, nobody suspected him?
Could it be that as an AME, he was competent enough to pass as a LAME?
I think the basic issue is that he is a fraud. Competence is not the issue.
Yes, I have a "chip" on my shoulder if you would like to put it that way. I have seen over the years, several LAME's that are nothing short of dangerous. (I haven't necessarily worked with them, but I have seen them). Unfortuately, these individuals are often "carried" by the rest of us, (LAME's and even AME's).
Pass the exams, collect the SOE, become a LAME. If you are adapt to parrot learning, you pass the exams quickly. SOE? Just because you are involved in the task, does not mean you fully understand it! In the end, it's up to the LAME certifying to ensure that the AME understands the task before signing his SOE book.
So how is this relevant to Talk it up Timmy? The ultimate question is why was it not so bloody obvious to the LAME's he worked with, that he was not licenced?
Could it be that incompetent LAME's are that common, nobody suspected him?
Could it be that as an AME, he was competent enough to pass as a LAME?
I think the basic issue is that he is a fraud. Competence is not the issue.
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All a licence can possibly be is a yardstick of an individuals ability to learn and retain information.In the Section L days in the UK we had the oral exam as a sort of safety net,but inevitably some plonkers slipped through even that.I'm a licenced conny & generally speaking in my world if you're incompetent you don't hold a job down for very long.Permie is a whole different ball game.