PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Dunnunda, Godzone and the Pacific (https://www.pprune.org/dunnunda-godzone-pacific-24/)
-   -   Ansett History and Future (https://www.pprune.org/dunnunda-godzone-pacific/23113-ansett-history-future.html)

Gibbo 12th Feb 2002 09:42

Ansett History and Future
 
This is a fairly balanced and well researched article on the up to date state of AN (excluding todays developments)

Quite a long article; hard to fit it all into a few hundred words though!

<a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/business/ansetthistory.html" target="_blank">crikey.com.au</a>

FarQ2 12th Feb 2002 09:54

All these little boys in the sand pit!!!!

THERE IS NO FUTURE !!!!!!!!!!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Wirraway 12th Feb 2002 10:31

Gibbo

Thanks for the heads up, top article, a must. .read for anyone following this saga.

Woomera 12th Feb 2002 11:18

A very good read, thank you Gibbo.. .Woomera

ANFO 12th Feb 2002 11:55

By Crikey.. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Sherm Boy 12th Feb 2002 12:21

A good read.

Only a couple of missing bits.

First...and don't all groan at once...but in 1989 the airline's management took a deliberate management decision to launch a suicidal internal war against its pilots. The Abeles "no prisoners taken" approach was a horrific management decision that ripped the still beating heart from Ansett.

HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS WENT DOWN THE GURGLER! And this is putting aside ALL questions about how the AFAP was run, the role of picket line crossers etc. They're for us to bicker about. He was responsible to the shareholders for handling their interests and did a job that could get him a job at Enron any day. At any time he wanted, Abeles could have said "Enough" and secured a reasonable return to work plan that would have saved a fortune. The only fortune Ansett ever had, or would have, as we now know.

Second...the article says:"

The savior in many respects, for both TNT and News Corp, was the deregulation of the Trans Tasman market and the perceived necessity by Air New Zealand to buy into Ansett"

The "perceived necessity" was in fact a heavy handed Corporate State (Hawke...then Keating) which for some obvious and well know reasons took upon itself the role of salesman for large chunks of Ansett stock. ANZ never had a choice if they wanted to grow. The one chance they did have...the Single Aviation Market...was torpedoed by Keating (via Laurie Brereton) on the eve of its commencement. Keating also torpedoed ANZ's possible buyout of Compass 2 when it ceased operations just days before the 1993 election. He was pushing ANZ into a corner from where they would have no choice but to take the basket case Ansett off his (and his friends) hands.

Oh well..the less attractive aspects of the Two Airline Policy were bound to die hard.

Good thing pilots have perfect hindsight I suppose.

Cheers

Sherm

Austin_Powers2 12th Feb 2002 14:06

Very good article and with Sherm boy's addition it would be spot on.

<img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

VMCA 12th Feb 2002 17:26

A must read. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Elevator 12th Feb 2002 17:29

Very good read.

Thanks for the tip gibbo!

Keg 13th Feb 2002 02:42

What a fantastic read although it doens't go into the future of Ansett too much except to say 'who knows'. :)

The bias in certain parts is also pretty evident but it is still a pretty good read.

Anyone know who the company that was originally going to employ 10,000 people was?

Capt_Zoolander 13th Feb 2002 06:06

I will hazard a guess, SIA?

[ 13 February 2002: Message edited by: Capt_Zoolander ]</p>

Keg 13th Feb 2002 06:26

Ah yes, that would make sense now wouldn't it!!

gaunty 13th Feb 2002 06:54

If it was SQ then that is the only flaw in the article.. .That was never going to be allowed to happen by QF or the ACTU either.

Liquidation was, as we are finding out, with the limited Govt protection offered the staff victims, the only real solution.

gjharris1 13th Feb 2002 07:55

A very good article.

Maybe a little too close to home for some of the 'participants'.

strobes_on 13th Feb 2002 08:03

Gaunty, you say

"Liquidation was, as we are finding out, with the limited Govt protection offered the staff victims, the only real solution."

Why was liquidation the only real solution, when 3000 start up jobs would be saved by carrying forward into a new entity.

Potential jobs growth would see this figure increase significantly.

There is too much unwarranted negativity and personal baggage about this whole issue and people should get behind anything that creates employment within the Australian economy.

Capt_Zoolander 13th Feb 2002 08:45

10,000 jobs without the help of the ACTU sounds much better than maybe 3000 (some part time) with FLEW

Kanga767 13th Feb 2002 11:19

I think that first bailout with 10,000 bodies was Emirates, but I stand to be corrected.


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:59.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.