Unknown PNG Airstrips? Part the Twooth
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So, let's just see if we can tidy up a few lose ends here.
Capt Veg
Any update on your "easy strip to guess"?
olderairhead
Any clues on your offerings?
Airstrip 6
Airstrip 7 Kabwum, no arguments there.
Airstrip 8
Airstrip 9
2daddies
Compare olderairhead's Airstrip 4 with this, which everyone seemed to agree is Baindoung.
Quote: "Baindoung was a good deal flatter than Kasanombe".
Interesting observation. Baindoung slope = 2.5%. Kasanombe slope = 11.3%. Sure looks like a bit of slope in those pics.
Quote: "That goat track really just looks like Kabwum." ???
Chimbu chuckles
Yep, Tsewi is about 5 nm north of Yegepa, according to my unreliable source.
Tsewi data: Slope = 5.5%, Length = 550m, Elevation = 4000'.
Here is OzExpat's goat track. Here is Herc Jerk's shot of Hauwabango.
Hauwabango data: Slope = 12%, Length = 415m, Elevation = 4400'.
Do they match?
lurch's album:
So is this Bapi or Omora?
How about this one in the Garaina valley? One of the above?
Capt Veg
Any update on your "easy strip to guess"?
olderairhead
Any clues on your offerings?
Airstrip 6
Airstrip 7 Kabwum, no arguments there.
Airstrip 8
Airstrip 9
2daddies
Compare olderairhead's Airstrip 4 with this, which everyone seemed to agree is Baindoung.
Quote: "Baindoung was a good deal flatter than Kasanombe".
Interesting observation. Baindoung slope = 2.5%. Kasanombe slope = 11.3%. Sure looks like a bit of slope in those pics.
Quote: "That goat track really just looks like Kabwum." ???
Chimbu chuckles
Yep, Tsewi is about 5 nm north of Yegepa, according to my unreliable source.
Tsewi data: Slope = 5.5%, Length = 550m, Elevation = 4000'.
Here is OzExpat's goat track. Here is Herc Jerk's shot of Hauwabango.
Hauwabango data: Slope = 12%, Length = 415m, Elevation = 4400'.
Do they match?
lurch's album:
So is this Bapi or Omora?
How about this one in the Garaina valley? One of the above?
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feather#3 are you sitting there with your old WAC chart on your knee? 
Sorta looks like the terrain around Kainantu its obviously not kainantu, what was the SIL strip up that way?
I hafta say all these Morobe strips are new to me and bloody rough with it.Apart from bongos did they operate Robertson 206s cos they look mighty grim for regular 206.What did they cart in and out? Was a fair amount of coffee in my day with Turbo Porter we could haul a ton out of anything that looked like an airstrip.
Did those Solloy turbine 206s ever catch on?
edit coz I cant spelt Robertson
Sorta looks like the terrain around Kainantu its obviously not kainantu, what was the SIL strip up that way?
I hafta say all these Morobe strips are new to me and bloody rough with it.Apart from bongos did they operate Robertson 206s cos they look mighty grim for regular 206.What did they cart in and out? Was a fair amount of coffee in my day with Turbo Porter we could haul a ton out of anything that looked like an airstrip.
Did those Solloy turbine 206s ever catch on?
edit coz I cant spelt Robertson
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F #3,
#9 can't be Bomai as Bomai sits on the Tive plateau which sloped up to an old extinct volcanoe called Mt Aue. It didn't have all those little hills etc on the Tive, just a sea of trees and no roads at all in 1987. If that was Bomai you'd be over Talabukal and the Tive Plateau looks quite 'smooth' from that direction, sloping down from Mt Aue to the Tua river. I think it's Aseki.
Ozexpat your thinking of Aiyura, which was long enough for Kingairs/402s etc, crushed limstone surfaced and nearly flat....not to mention the huge SIL hangar and other buildings surrounding. A little trick due to surrounding terrain but the strip itself was a doddle.
Eggman if you look at the windsock and vege garden to it's right in both those piccies you will see that it is the exact same place. Baindong was down hill then uphill for landing, hence the lower published slope than Kasenombe which was a constant 11 odd degrees. The published strip gradients in PNG were the average between each end and did not take into account changing gradients.
The unknown last strip which I think is Howabango matches, to my eye, the slope/dimensions you quote for Howabango. Tsewe at 5% is almost flat by PNG standards and I don't remember it sitting up on a hill like that.
As for some of the others in OAH's collection, I'm at a loss. In the 8 plus years I flew bush in PNG I flew in and out of 318 strips......some of them only once or twice, some several dozen times. Maybe a third I flew into 100's of times each. As the years roll on it's only the later category that sit fresh in my minds eye like it was yesterday and not over a decade in most cases.
Vege..........mate some were so rough you'd think twice about driving your 4wd down them at speed. As the years rolled on and the memories of the discipline of the Kiap years wore off they detiorated and were not repaired. As Richard Leahy said to me once. "If they'd got this bad overnight we'd just close them and that would be that until they were fixed, but they have got this bad over many years so no-one really notices". Very few pilots stayed more than a few years before moving on to QF/AN/TN so succesive generations of bush pilots were intoduced to the strips in the current state and viewed that state as 'normal'.
A while back, just out of curiosity, I did an 'audit' of my logbooks of that period. I averaged 3000 sectors a year at an average sector time of 17 mins for that 8.5 year period.........little wonder I used to consider these strips 'normal'. In that time I damaged two aircraft(one in a forced landing), nearly (really, REALLY nearly killed myself) twice and gave myself maybe a dozen frights. For those who have never flown in PNG I must point out that when you fly that many sectors/ year into strips like these your 'fear' threshold goes up quite markedly.......that's why it's so easy to die in PNG.......the difference between 'normal' and dead was often a very fine line.
I believe that is also why when we 'played' with our aircraft it was in a manner which would be deemed extremely 'non professional' in places like OZ......viewed against a backdrop of what we did 'normally' with our aircraft it didn't seem so to us..........and anyway I don't remember anyone hurting themselves while at play
Chuck
#9 can't be Bomai as Bomai sits on the Tive plateau which sloped up to an old extinct volcanoe called Mt Aue. It didn't have all those little hills etc on the Tive, just a sea of trees and no roads at all in 1987. If that was Bomai you'd be over Talabukal and the Tive Plateau looks quite 'smooth' from that direction, sloping down from Mt Aue to the Tua river. I think it's Aseki.
Ozexpat your thinking of Aiyura, which was long enough for Kingairs/402s etc, crushed limstone surfaced and nearly flat....not to mention the huge SIL hangar and other buildings surrounding. A little trick due to surrounding terrain but the strip itself was a doddle.
Eggman if you look at the windsock and vege garden to it's right in both those piccies you will see that it is the exact same place. Baindong was down hill then uphill for landing, hence the lower published slope than Kasenombe which was a constant 11 odd degrees. The published strip gradients in PNG were the average between each end and did not take into account changing gradients.
The unknown last strip which I think is Howabango matches, to my eye, the slope/dimensions you quote for Howabango. Tsewe at 5% is almost flat by PNG standards and I don't remember it sitting up on a hill like that.
As for some of the others in OAH's collection, I'm at a loss. In the 8 plus years I flew bush in PNG I flew in and out of 318 strips......some of them only once or twice, some several dozen times. Maybe a third I flew into 100's of times each. As the years roll on it's only the later category that sit fresh in my minds eye like it was yesterday and not over a decade in most cases.
Vege..........mate some were so rough you'd think twice about driving your 4wd down them at speed.
As the years rolled on and the memories of the discipline of the Kiap years wore off they detiorated and were not repaired. As Richard Leahy said to me once. "If they'd got this bad overnight we'd just close them and that would be that until they were fixed, but they have got this bad over many years so no-one really notices". Very few pilots stayed more than a few years before moving on to QF/AN/TN so succesive generations of bush pilots were intoduced to the strips in the current state and viewed that state as 'normal'.A while back, just out of curiosity, I did an 'audit' of my logbooks of that period. I averaged 3000 sectors a year at an average sector time of 17 mins for that 8.5 year period.........little wonder I used to consider these strips 'normal'. In that time I damaged two aircraft(one in a forced landing), nearly (really, REALLY nearly killed myself) twice and gave myself maybe a dozen frights. For those who have never flown in PNG I must point out that when you fly that many sectors/ year into strips like these your 'fear' threshold goes up quite markedly.......that's why it's so easy to die in PNG.......the difference between 'normal' and dead was often a very fine line.
I believe that is also why when we 'played' with our aircraft it was in a manner which would be deemed extremely 'non professional' in places like OZ......viewed against a backdrop of what we did 'normally' with our aircraft it didn't seem so to us..........and anyway I don't remember anyone hurting themselves while at play
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Thanks Chimbu I think in Feathers and my time if someone invited you to operate out of strips like we've seen here we would tell them to get well an truly stuffed.Look like god botherers airstrips to me.
The Kiap of course had unlimited supply of slave labour and looking after the strip meant he was able to get to town and oggle white sheilas.
(One of the Kiaps in Oksapmin was a Mr Walker.He had a dog named Devil , referred to sooty as the little people and signed his letters with a rubber Phantom ring...nuts?....nahhh)
The Kiap of course had unlimited supply of slave labour and looking after the strip meant he was able to get to town and oggle white sheilas.
(One of the Kiaps in Oksapmin was a Mr Walker.He had a dog named Devil , referred to sooty as the little people and signed his letters with a rubber Phantom ring...nuts?....nahhh)
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Stop this at once, I am turning greener with envy by the second seeing as how I missed all the fun, games and eccentrics in that part of my younger life.
We used to queue up to watch the paint dry.
We used to queue up to watch the paint dry.
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Vege re you question on aircraft types.
In my time the ONLY people who had Turbo 206s was the missions. I flew P2-SIA a little, which was purchased from SIL by Karimui Spice Co, to train their new pilot. He and I joined Talair on the same day 6 months or so later.......he joined QF a year after that.
It was a Robertson STOL Turbo 206 and the little red 'flap dump' button on the control column came in usefull I can tell you. Not to mention all those 'extra' inches of pure grunt. When all your take-offs are well above full throttle hieght a turbo is just the ducks nuts.
The rest of us flew battered old 185s and 206s which were nearly all 60 models. P2-BAF, my first command, was a 1961 C185 which had been upgraded from 260hp to a 300hp F model at some point. It still had the 'ground pointer' AH and barrel DG in it in 1987. My own C185, while immaculate, was a 1963 A model which had also been upgraded to F standard by MAF in the 70s.
All the non God botherer 206s I can think of were mostly late 60s/early 70s models and had been many times crashed and repaired. One ex TAL machine I flew a few times even taxied crooked it was so bent. I hated 206s (except for SIA) and would only fly them rarely...much MUCH prefering 185s because they were easier to land on rough, steep strips and you didn't have to worry about the nose wheel falling off or the strut collapsing backwards. I had tailwheels fall off 185s twice and just collected the bits up before flying home on the remaining 'skid'......taking off and landing with the tail up from standing start to stopped.
I remember an Allison 206 coming through one year on a demo tour but it never was used in PNG. SIL brought an Allison powered BN2 to PNG in the early 90s.......I remember looking up at POM and seeing an Islander shape making kerosene noises and being very confused
They had lots of troubles
with the engines flaming out on wet strips when the nosewheel flung gallons of water at the little intake until they put a large water deflector each side of the nose wheel
All the Islanders were really old too......even when I flew them....and in most instances they are the same aircraft the Herc Jerc, Alistair etc are/were flying at NCA recently Some from memory had over 20000 hours on the airframes.
The Talair 402s were all A models except for GKB which was a short nosed 402.......you'd remember GKB, Dennis bought her in 1969.......his FIRST 402! They had all had at least one spar replacement, which from memory happened at 16000 hours time in service.
All our -200 Otters at Talair were ex TAA -100s/200s......Old RDB which was 'my' Otter in WAU still had the TAA stamped crash axe on board.......which I pinched and is now buried in Rabaul
The -300s were of course a lot younger.
The only 'modern' singles I flew were the Mountford Catholic Mission's C180 while training one of their pilots (on loan from Talair) and John Senior's C180( to which I had my own set of keys and unlimited use) which were both late 70s models, John's with every option Cessna offered. I also flew MFX and MFU, both 185s, which were from memory about 74 models.
Re the Phantom.........that would be the same guy that I shared MANY beers with when he ran the Kavieng Hotel........he died of liver failure about 6 or 8 years ago........exactly as he would have wanted I suppose.
Chuck.
In my time the ONLY people who had Turbo 206s was the missions. I flew P2-SIA a little, which was purchased from SIL by Karimui Spice Co, to train their new pilot. He and I joined Talair on the same day 6 months or so later.......he joined QF a year after that.
It was a Robertson STOL Turbo 206 and the little red 'flap dump' button on the control column came in usefull I can tell you. Not to mention all those 'extra' inches of pure grunt. When all your take-offs are well above full throttle hieght a turbo is just the ducks nuts.
The rest of us flew battered old 185s and 206s which were nearly all 60 models. P2-BAF, my first command, was a 1961 C185 which had been upgraded from 260hp to a 300hp F model at some point. It still had the 'ground pointer' AH and barrel DG in it in 1987.
My own C185, while immaculate, was a 1963 A model which had also been upgraded to F standard by MAF in the 70s.All the non God botherer 206s I can think of were mostly late 60s/early 70s models and had been many times crashed and repaired. One ex TAL machine I flew a few times even taxied crooked it was so bent. I hated 206s (except for SIA) and would only fly them rarely...much MUCH prefering 185s because they were easier to land on rough, steep strips and you didn't have to worry about the nose wheel falling off or the strut collapsing backwards. I had tailwheels fall off 185s twice and just collected the bits up before flying home on the remaining 'skid'......taking off and landing with the tail up from standing start to stopped.
I remember an Allison 206 coming through one year on a demo tour but it never was used in PNG. SIL brought an Allison powered BN2 to PNG in the early 90s.......I remember looking up at POM and seeing an Islander shape making kerosene noises and being very confused
They had lots of troubleswith the engines flaming out on wet strips when the nosewheel flung gallons of water at the little intake until they put a large water deflector each side of the nose wheel
All the Islanders were really old too......even when I flew them....and in most instances they are the same aircraft the Herc Jerc, Alistair etc are/were flying at NCA recently
Some from memory had over 20000 hours on the airframes. The Talair 402s were all A models except for GKB which was a short nosed 402.......you'd remember GKB, Dennis bought her in 1969.......his FIRST 402! They had all had at least one spar replacement, which from memory happened at 16000 hours time in service.
All our -200 Otters at Talair were ex TAA -100s/200s......Old RDB which was 'my' Otter in WAU still had the TAA stamped crash axe on board.......which I pinched and is now buried in Rabaul
The -300s were of course a lot younger.
The only 'modern' singles I flew were the Mountford Catholic Mission's C180 while training one of their pilots (on loan from Talair) and John Senior's C180( to which I had my own set of keys and unlimited use) which were both late 70s models, John's with every option Cessna offered. I also flew MFX and MFU, both 185s, which were from memory about 74 models.
Re the Phantom.........that would be the same guy that I shared MANY beers with when he ran the Kavieng Hotel........he died of liver failure about 6 or 8 years ago........exactly as he would have wanted I suppose.
Chuck.
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I've just had word from the bloke who contributed the photo of this place. He has told me that he thinks it's one of the strips serviced by New Tribes Mission. If so, makes it kinda tough on all you non-missionary (in more ways than one 
) types, but maybe we have someone out there in PPRuNeland who did, or does, work for either NTM, SIL or even MAF, for that matter.
But, while you're chewing that over, the same bloke - who I'm STILL trying to talk into registering himself here - has sent me another one. Once again, he got if off a website somewhere but there were few clues as to where it is. One of those clues is that it may be in East New Britain.
I did a fair bit of flying around New Britain and, while this photo doesn't ring any specific bells, I think it could be Nuiuve, sometimes written as Nutuve... RWYs 06/24 (land 06 tkof 24), elev 1241 feet, length 590 metres, slope 1.6% down to SW.
You can check it out here.
Anyone else got a better idea?
Pinky ...
There was insufficient information for me to give an answer and, in any case, I'm not an expert on every type of e-mail handler in existence. I didn't have time to reply when your message arrived, so put it aside for later and then a few other things happened and it slipped my mind until I saw your post. That also gave me a bit more information, but I suspect the answer won't be especially helpful to you.
But, first up, if you're planning on sending any photos to me, don't even think about sending them as "BMP" (ie Bitmap) files. They're invariably very large files that take ages to download here, which costs me a LOT of money because phone calls to ISPs are charges as timed local calls. And the charges are among the most expensive timed local calls in the world, so you won't win any friends here with Bitmap file attachments to e-mail.
I prefer "JPG" (ie Jpeg) file formats as the filesizes are MUCH smaller. Also, please, no more than 5 photo files attached to each e-mail. I get a lot of other e-mail and the fewer photo files that are attached the a message, the less it clogs the server when I'm downloading.
Okay, all of that said, you will need to have the photos scanned as JPG files and those files must be on the computer so that your e-mail program can find them to send. I don't know if that library will want you to put any files on their computer, so you need to talk to them about that. You might be able to attach the files, without directly using the hard drive, by having the photo files on one (or more) floppies - I haven't tried this myself, so don't know how well or fast it will work. And you might also need the Library's permission even to put a floppy disk in one of their computers.
I hope you already know how to attach the files to an e-mail message because I don't want to have to describe that. In any event, there's bound to be a help file on the computer to explain that to you, or Library staff can undoubtedly explain it on the spot.
Hope this helps.
) types, but maybe we have someone out there in PPRuNeland who did, or does, work for either NTM, SIL or even MAF, for that matter.But, while you're chewing that over, the same bloke - who I'm STILL trying to talk into registering himself here - has sent me another one. Once again, he got if off a website somewhere but there were few clues as to where it is. One of those clues is that it may be in East New Britain.
I did a fair bit of flying around New Britain and, while this photo doesn't ring any specific bells, I think it could be Nuiuve, sometimes written as Nutuve... RWYs 06/24 (land 06 tkof 24), elev 1241 feet, length 590 metres, slope 1.6% down to SW.
You can check it out here.
Anyone else got a better idea?
Pinky ...
There was insufficient information for me to give an answer and, in any case, I'm not an expert on every type of e-mail handler in existence. I didn't have time to reply when your message arrived, so put it aside for later and then a few other things happened and it slipped my mind until I saw your post. That also gave me a bit more information, but I suspect the answer won't be especially helpful to you.
But, first up, if you're planning on sending any photos to me, don't even think about sending them as "BMP" (ie Bitmap) files. They're invariably very large files that take ages to download here, which costs me a LOT of money because phone calls to ISPs are charges as timed local calls. And the charges are among the most expensive timed local calls in the world, so you won't win any friends here with Bitmap file attachments to e-mail.
I prefer "JPG" (ie Jpeg) file formats as the filesizes are MUCH smaller. Also, please, no more than 5 photo files attached to each e-mail. I get a lot of other e-mail and the fewer photo files that are attached the a message, the less it clogs the server when I'm downloading.
Okay, all of that said, you will need to have the photos scanned as JPG files and those files must be on the computer so that your e-mail program can find them to send. I don't know if that library will want you to put any files on their computer, so you need to talk to them about that. You might be able to attach the files, without directly using the hard drive, by having the photo files on one (or more) floppies - I haven't tried this myself, so don't know how well or fast it will work. And you might also need the Library's permission even to put a floppy disk in one of their computers.
I hope you already know how to attach the files to an e-mail message because I don't want to have to describe that. In any event, there's bound to be a help file on the computer to explain that to you, or Library staff can undoubtedly explain it on the spot.
Hope this helps.
Grandpa Aerotart
Yes Oz that's Nutuve........oh and sorry for the Bitmap files I sent, Gumby Gamble scanned for me in that format and it never occured to me to check:o
Perhaps that NT Mission strip is Aziana in the Eastern Highlands. Went there only a few times myself but that piccy looks like 50 strips I've been to.
Chuck.
Perhaps that NT Mission strip is Aziana in the Eastern Highlands. Went there only a few times myself but that piccy looks like 50 strips I've been to.
Chuck.
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Ozexpat, thanks for the advice. All your requirements will be adhered to. I'll see if I can get a friend who is far more knowlegeable with computers to organise the photos 'in due course' Please excuse any silly questions I may have asked as I'm a definite novice with computers.
Re the goat track 'this place' ... my vote goes for Hauwabango. I once had the right engine of a BN2 fail on me just as I turned base there. Luckily I was empty at the time so flew back to base on one with little drama.
Scuppers, You out there? I'll e-mail you in a day or two.
Cheers
Re the goat track 'this place' ... my vote goes for Hauwabango. I once had the right engine of a BN2 fail on me just as I turned base there. Luckily I was empty at the time so flew back to base on one with little drama.
Scuppers, You out there? I'll e-mail you in a day or two.
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oz, re the two pics,
the first one im sure ive been past as well out the back of menyamya way, dunno the name but theres only a handfull that
NTM go to out there and the pic is on their homepage
the second one...i too have seen this pic on the web but its part of a series of photos and I think it is to do with this...and you can see the DHC6
here [URL=http://aviation-safety.net/database/1995/950103-0.htm[/URL]
the first one im sure ive been past as well out the back of menyamya way, dunno the name but theres only a handfull that
NTM go to out there and the pic is on their homepage
the second one...i too have seen this pic on the web but its part of a series of photos and I think it is to do with this...and you can see the DHC6
here [URL=http://aviation-safety.net/database/1995/950103-0.htm[/URL]
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Thanks for the confirmation Chuck, I felt sure that you'd know that one after all yer time in Rabaul. Nice to know that the alcoholic haze of the last 20 years or so hasn't fried ALL of me memory!
I wasn't havin a go at you mate, or anyone else for that matter. I'm never concerned about anything that's gone bagarup in the past, coz that's how I found out my internet limitations. I was, however, re-reading your post about what constitutes "normal" here and, as usual, yer dead right. These days, I look down on a lot of the strips I used regularly in years gone by and wonder what on earth ever possessed me to land at such places!
I try to allow for the fact that I'm MUCH older now than I was then but, even so, many of the strips look so much different these days. But there's another aspect too ... over the course of this thread, its predecessor and a few others, I've had cause to look at the photos of the places that I went to, taken at the time I was actually doing it.
And you know what? It feels like it must've been someone else doing all that bloody stupid stuff! Truly. Yet I know that I've had the sh!t scared outta me more times than I care to think about. The only good aspect to THAT is that I was always far too busy to take any photographs...
Pinky ... we all have to learn things for ourselves, ideally at our own pace. That wasn't always possible while we were being "route and stripped" around this country but, thankfully, it is possible where the internet is concerned. I'd like to see and share your photos with everyone here but it doesn't need to happen straight away. The one thing I discovered very early in my life is that the very best things are ALWAYS worth waiting for!
lurch ... I tried to checkout that URL and me computer did a freeze-up on me. Had to reboot to fix the problem ... how I hate that farkin MSIE!!!!
I don't have any charts with me at the mo, to remind me of the strips around MYY but, unless someone else responds to your post, I'll do soon just as soon as I get an opportunity to refresh a memory that's somewhat worse for ... errrm ... wear...
I wasn't havin a go at you mate, or anyone else for that matter. I'm never concerned about anything that's gone bagarup in the past, coz that's how I found out my internet limitations. I was, however, re-reading your post about what constitutes "normal" here and, as usual, yer dead right. These days, I look down on a lot of the strips I used regularly in years gone by and wonder what on earth ever possessed me to land at such places!
I try to allow for the fact that I'm MUCH older now than I was then but, even so, many of the strips look so much different these days. But there's another aspect too ... over the course of this thread, its predecessor and a few others, I've had cause to look at the photos of the places that I went to, taken at the time I was actually doing it.
And you know what? It feels like it must've been someone else doing all that bloody stupid stuff! Truly. Yet I know that I've had the sh!t scared outta me more times than I care to think about. The only good aspect to THAT is that I was always far too busy to take any photographs...
Pinky ... we all have to learn things for ourselves, ideally at our own pace. That wasn't always possible while we were being "route and stripped" around this country but, thankfully, it is possible where the internet is concerned. I'd like to see and share your photos with everyone here but it doesn't need to happen straight away. The one thing I discovered very early in my life is that the very best things are ALWAYS worth waiting for!
lurch ... I tried to checkout that URL and me computer did a freeze-up on me. Had to reboot to fix the problem ... how I hate that farkin MSIE!!!!
I don't have any charts with me at the mo, to remind me of the strips around MYY but, unless someone else responds to your post, I'll do soon just as soon as I get an opportunity to refresh a memory that's somewhat worse for ... errrm ... wear...
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Chuck .... If Ozemate would be so kind, I have emailed some piccies of P.2.G.K.B in its final resting place. Probably should be put on a pole somewhere I spose. Those Islanders that you mention us as flying recently were well into the 20,000 hours, with probably an average of 3 cycles / hour over their lifetime, thats one hell of a lot of goat tracks travelled
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Alistair ... photos not yet sighted but I remain hopeful and will be happy to host them for you.
If HJ is lurking (and I'm sure he is), I had a chat with a mutual mate a few hours ago ... none other than "The Dunley"! He told me about yer malaria episode - and how he "cured" you...! And all of that at the time ya met "Conrod ... ya poor bugga!
If HJ is lurking (and I'm sure he is
), I had a chat with a mutual mate a few hours ago ... none other than "The Dunley"! He told me about yer malaria episode - and how he "cured" you...! And all of that at the time ya met "Conrod ... ya poor bugga!
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Well at least you completed your younger life,quite a few of my TPNG pals didnt.
There were plenty of days I wudda been a shy retiring used Cessna salesman in Perth.
Stop this at once, I am turning greener with envy by the second seeing as how I missed all the fun, games and eccentrics in that part of my younger life.
There were plenty of days I wudda been a shy retiring used Cessna salesman in Perth.
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I think that first mission strip could be a place called Naniwe. It was just down the valley from Menyamya southbound. I only know of 1 person who landed there. He was told in no uncertain terms to ****** off straight away.
Perhapse anyone who did the Nadzab - Kerema all stations could confirm this.
Perhapse anyone who did the Nadzab - Kerema all stations could confirm this.
Grandpa Aerotart
Vege.......yes that's true about the WAC series. The story I heard in the 80s was that the plates had been transfered up to PNG after 'Independance' and were ruined on the first print run by 'The Little People'
Those who had wac charts after that held onto them for dear life...they became rarer as the years rolled on.....to the point that guys who had them stopped taking them to work lest they be damaged and instead used ONCs.
I had a couple covering the Highlands and Morobe at one stage but they were pinched........KARNTZ!!!
Re Naniwe..........that's not Naniwe. Naniwe sat in a reasonably wide shallow valley that sloped up from the Tauri Valley and ended at a saddle ridge line between two hillls.........and yes the genetically challenged, non reflective types that lived there were zealous in their regard for NTM.
Chuck
Those who had wac charts after that held onto them for dear life...they became rarer as the years rolled on.....to the point that guys who had them stopped taking them to work lest they be damaged and instead used ONCs.
I had a couple covering the Highlands and Morobe at one stage but they were pinched........KARNTZ!!!
Re Naniwe..........that's not Naniwe. Naniwe sat in a reasonably wide shallow valley that sloped up from the Tauri Valley and ended at a saddle ridge line between two hillls.........and yes the genetically challenged, non reflective types that lived there were zealous in their regard for NTM.
Chuck