The free DVD player is now being installed on eligible machines: it's KB3081704 if you tend to pick and choose which updates you install.

To be eligible, you have to upgrade from Windows 7 Home Premium/Professional/Ultimate/Windows 8/8.1 with Media Center. Windows Enterprise doesn't qualify, nor do clean installs.

If you don't qualify for free, it's $15.

Well, I've now taken the plunge and installed Win 10 on my H.P. Win 7 lappie.
The installation was uneventful, taking a few hours and the new OS does work - just. It takes ages to load and most of its utilities fail to work. This is because it needs to load all my old software titles before anything happens - and it gets slower and slower till, after an hour I give up. The much vaunted new version of internet explorer doesn't work either. Fortunately it let me keep my copy of Firefox which still gives me internet access. It seems to let me access my files on my other networked machines so I can still use my old Office software, but my Microsoft games (solitaire, spider, freecell and so on) have vanished and I cannot find any replacements.
I had few problems with Win 7 and even fewer with XP which I am still running on my main desktop machine. If the stories about Win 8 are anything to go by then I can understand why these users will find 10 better but. so far for me the upgrade was a complete waste of time and effort.

P.P.

P.Pilcher posted:
I recently applied for the Win 10 free upgrade having read through this thread and decided, on balance, to give it ago. Your post has got me re-thinking as I also have Win 7 and am happy with it. The upgrade has yet to be made available to me so I think I´ll give it a miss when it does. As mentioned, it may be an improvement on Win 8 but not so much on 7.

My ten year old Samsung N130 driver a 21" monitor downloaded it OK but it dumped my Adblock. Now everything has slowed up whilst adverts are painted on and I cannot find Adblock for Edge. I tried extracting Microsoft games and putting an application shortcut on the toolbar but that hasn't worked. I am going to try and load IE11; if I cannot and also cannot find an adblock for Edge I am going back to W7.

IE isn't uninstalled. Just click on "more actions" (the three dots, top right) and select "open with Internet Explorer".

IE11 on Start Menu
 

Start menu – All Aps – Windows Accessories - IE :ugh:

I was getting fed up with Edge then I found a shortcut to IE in the recycle bin. Sanity is restored.

Well, I must correct myself a bit. Although I left my lappie in standby overnight Win 10 appears to have still been working to sort itself out. Most of its facilities appear to be working now and I am trying them out. Yesterday, Firefox was always whinging that it was not my default browser. When I clicked on "make it default" the whole system locked up as the facility associating software with certain functions refused to function. When I tried this again today it all worked nicely. I am now a happier bunny!

P.P.

I would wait a long time before doing this upgrade.
Many problems.
Main one is you cant turn Automatic updates off in 10.
I also had things on a 8 month old Dell laptop that don't work anymore after allowing the up dates to complete that I cant stop.
Wi Fi, even the sleep modes and times.
This stuff is so bad they cant even give it away.
Yes its better than 8, keep 7 if you can.
The Microsoft ones should look at why there are not used or allowed in Jeppeson for our charts or manuals.
IPads only approved for flying.
FAA told me MS has never been reliable like Mac and getting worse. so they wont allow the use.
Can you imagine doing a pre flight needing important data and all of a sudden its says I need to update.
MS needs to to better or just shut down.
Cant depend on them any longer.
They have been on a downwind spiral 3 or 4 years now.

Hmmmmm, having registered, gone through all the checks and downloaded it, at the end of the process I got a message saying it couldn't be installed on my machine (Lenovo B320 running Win 7 home edition).

Fired up my i7 Sony this AM with the intention of upgrading. I hardly ever lug its mass anywhere, so felt it would be the ideal testing ground. But now I'm not sure. An ISO perhaps? But would that, having been sent on a specific date, be forever, or would you have to load it within the timespan?

Haven't quite finished reading in on this thread, but this arrived this AM.


https://us-mg205.mail.yahoo.com/neo/...2ev92vl5i#mail


Mods. If posting this link is a no-no, then please zap, but perhaps retain the date for The Best of PC World = 8 7 15, which will get you there.

I'm reasonably in control of W10 except I cannot delete items. The normal right click-delete brings up an administrators permission panel. I press continue; after all, it's my computer and my password that starts it up, and it tries a few times and says it cannot do it without this permission.

I checked on the internet and a website working windows 8 suggest right clicking the bottom list and selecting Admin Administrator from the list. All that gives me is the 'Do you want to make changes to this computer' panel, the same as in W7.

How do I make it delete shortcuts on the desktop?

Thank you all for confirming that this is NOT the time to change from Windows 7 to Windows 10 - or from 8.1, for that matter.

M$ seem intent on self-destruction. Useful programs such as AutoRoute have been discontinued, as was the user-friendly Outlook Express. In came junk like Windows Live and various subscription programs.... They also canned the simple yet powerful Photoeditor. Windows 8 was a disaster, Windows 8.1 was at least less awful. And as for Office 2013.....:yuk:

As for the creepiness of that latest TV ad, which is almost Orwellian in nature, with M$ seeming to want to control the minds of children....:(

I have found a few sites that claim there app will stop win auto updates, but none from M/S.
Has anyone else here found a fix for this from M/S?
I also see Firefox does not like win 10 at all.
Really hope they can fix these issues, airlines use apple now for jepps and important documents, QRH, Abnormal procedures etc because M/S unreliable.
Those of us left for searching the web emails etc on the ground at at a loss here using windows.
I do think one thing , if apple could allow the use of external hard drive for storage then WIN would be finished forever.
But they only allow the cloud drive and force us all to buy space on the limited area after what they give us for free.
Money games all of them.

I would suggest leave W10 with views to update from W7 for at least 6 months. I have my doubt's my old girl Samsung lappy could handle the speed/ram et al required.

If the pc/lappy came with W7 let it be so.

I've taken the plunge, as it shiny and new, and installed W10. Went well, the PC gradually got faster, so now its running ok, except the hyperlinks on Outlook 2003 do not work. Hover over one and its says it's blocked, try it and I get the window "locate link browser" appearing, running IE 11. Any suggestion would be welcome.

Thanks

Firefox works just fine in Windows 10. So does the spell checker.

The minimum system requirements for Windows 10 are the same as they were for Windows 7.

Windows 10 is a fine piece of software. It is of course new, which apparently is a dirty word to some people.

After reading above post maybe this might help in some problems.......

WINDOWS 10 NAGGER AND SYSTEM CRASHES

If your pc gives an error message that GWXUX won't start it's referring to the Windows 10 update nagger that has appeared over the past couple of months. There are numerous posts on the outerweb, some claim that the nagger is even making their systems crash.

If you're not interested in Windows 10 you'll need to uninstall the "PUP" (potentially unwanted programme) that came in the form of a Windows update number KB3035583. You'll know it's in there if you have a little "windows" logo at the bottom right of your screen in the quick start menu.

To remove this go to:

Control panel > Programs and features > View installed updates

Next, search for the windows update KB3035833 and select uninstall. By date it will be sometime July or August 2015.

Daz

done that several times, next time you go to Windows Update it downloads the darned KB3035533 again :ugh:

I am running Win10 on both a Dell Dimension 5100 and a Dell Latitude D610 laptop. Each case, the 'free' upgrade was refused due to varuous excuses, but downloading the .iso file and installing it all myself worked fine and everything works as it should even on these 'antique' machine! However that said, I opted for a Custom install and turned off all the privacy issues, but you can always turn them off later via 'Settings > Privacy'
For a browser, I use Pale Moon (a Firefox derivative) together with Adblock Latitude.

I think the correct update number is actually KB3035583!!

I am flirting with the idea of installing Win 10 Enterprise LTS (thru MSDN) on my personal machine, but I can see no upsides over Win 7, apart from little things like slightly better battery life, and plenty of downsides.
So now I'm not going to bother until Server 2016 is released, then I will update everything at once.

What you need to do is do the update scan and then, when it shows it as available, you deselect it and then right click to hide the update.

BUT....

If you had earlier selected the 'I want a free upgrade' option then you probably want to right click on the systray icon, check status and then cancel the request first.

When you have done all that you might want to do a 'disk cleanup' on the C drive as you'll probably find the 3 Gig hidden download folder there.

There are also a couple of other updates you want to uninstall too as they were added by Microsoft to allow 'telemetry tracking' on Windows 7 - i.e. one of the privacy issues people are annoyed about on Windows X.

KB2952664 Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7
KB2990214 Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 7 to a later version of Windows
KB3021917 Update to Windows 7 SP1 for performance improvements
KB3022345 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
KB3035583 Update installs get windows 10 app in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1
KB3068708 (replaces KB3022345) Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
KB3080149 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry


Worse thing I found about 10 was that it does the driver/updates etc and you can't stop 10 from doing it. There is a problem with one of the Nvidia drivers on a dual graphic card laptop - where it black screens the laptop display - so if you install the fixed driver from Nvidia site, Windows will then update it to the faulty one for the next reboot.

As Microsoft are now not telling you what each update fixes either, this is particularly annoying for support as the 'what did you last update to stop the software working' question now has no meaning.

If you're not sure whether to download or install your Free Win 10 upgrade, I can assure you it's worth every penny you paid for it.


:yuk:

I only 'upgraded' one laptop and reverted it after a week. It still tried to do the update until I did the bits detailed earlier.

It was the mandatory updates and the feeling of not actually being in charge of what software was installed on my machine that finally swung it, this was above and beyond the bits about scanning all your files and happening to pass the list to an American organisation that looks for copyright infringements, or the fact your decryption key is uploaded to microsoft if you disk encrypt etc....

It won't let go!
 

Accidentally ticked Windows 10 in Windows Update, so I unticked it. I even hid it! But, every time I run Windows update, the first thing that happens is "Downloading Windows 10" and "getting Setup files". All I can do is cancel the update.

I had a look for
but it wasn't installed.

Any tips on stopping Win 10 coming down via Windows update?

Generous new Microsoft initiative ......
 

I was alerted to this development by a somewhat disturbing message in another group to which I subscribe:

Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'- The Inquirer

Make of it what you will ....

Regards,
FOR

I wonder what drugs are in the water supply over in Seattle?

Did Microsoft even think for two seconds about pushing a mulit-gigabyte file to every Windows device?

I'm so glad I rarely have to use Windows any more, but I'd better check whether it's sucking up multiple gigabytes of the ~100GB SSD on my games machine. Because I so want 5% of the disk wasted on an OS 'upgrade' I'm never going to install.

Surely this should be an 'opt in' service? Since 5 Aug 2015, I've had 46 instances of 'Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro......failed', yet have never requested any such 'upgrade'...

The 'Error details' shows 'Code 80240020'.

Looking further, I've found that a folder '$Windows.~BT' has appeared on my C-drive. It's some 4.07 Gb in size and includes 15,595 files in 3,380 folders, all of which concern Windows 10.....

M$, what on earth possessed you to force this cr@p on people who haven't asked for it?

Yes, that's apparently the advanced symptom of this un-requested malware.

From what I've read, there were eight 'upgrades' to W7 & W8 which facilitated the development reported above. The original article lists the upgrades, and gives details for a good old fashioned DOS based batch file to un-install them.

There are also details for a registry addition to steer clear of this development, but it may be too late for that in a lot of instances.

I've done both of these mods to my currently available Win7 machine, and the issue seems to have gone - for the present.

However, I'm most reluctant to share these fixes at this stage, primarily because of possible repercussions from people on this board who have intimidated the more timid users into a cautious reluctance to share such radical information. I also don't want to be suggesting changes to other people's computers which need a bit more time to be proven as rock solid safe.

If the information in the original SIG posting I read this morning is true, then there's no way in the world that I would touch Windows 10 - ever! The posting identifies some quite frightening potential issues, which most users will be blissfully unaware of - at least in the early stages.

It looks very much like W7 - and perhaps W8 - will be the last versions of Windows for this particular user.

BTW, the source of this information would appear to be highly reliable, and what it reports is what I have discovered on my own W7 machine.

I'm sorry but that's about as much of the reported information as I want to share at this stage - for reasons I've already stated.

FOR

Don't get Mad, get even ...

European Consumer Centres - European Commission

Complain to the EC, might as well get something out of Brussels, before you leave ...

I am very happy with my W 7.
Anyone happy with their Win 10, or shall I just ignore the daily bits of insistence from MS that I should download and install 10?

AO,

Why not google how to get rid of it completely and permanently? Easy enough to do.

SD

SD
yup, thanks.
done that now. Easier than I expected.

When 10 is working, wonderful and worth the downsides, will someone kindly let us know?
Ta
AO

Windows 10 is better than the previous versions. Upgrades on both my computers (win 8.1 desktop and win 7 laptop) went easily with no problems.

Everything still worked afterwards, nothing had to be reinstalled.

The only downside is some old games wont work, but they wont with win 7 & 8 now either as MS killed a type of DRM used by the old games for security purposes.

I too am thinking about taking advantage of the free upgrade to Windows 10. However, like others here I'm concerned about the loss of non-Microsoft programmes that I currently use with Windows 7 Home Premium. In particular I'm concerned about to possible loss of my Lotus Organizer 97, don't laugh - this great little programme has served my well for many years and does everything I want from it, i.e. it keeps all my names, addresses and contact in one simple and easy-to-use location.


So guys and gals, does anyone know if Lotus Organizer 97 will work with Windows 10? If it won't, can you advise a suitable alternate, remember - it has to be simple and easy-to-use. Many thanks.

Lotus Organizer 97 appears to work on WIn10 64-bit - at least it installed and a brief test of a few of the basic functions worked. Can't vouch for anything further.

One of my previous employers bought the whole Lotus suite for its staff. It was brilliant. Always simple, easy to use, and with high levels of reliability.
Shame it was killed off by the beancounters.

Many thanks le Pingouin, that's very reassuring.

Went away to Germany on Wednesday, after the latest Tuesday patches had been installed....

Whilst I was away, I'd left my backup Win 8.1 laptop running. When I returned home late last night, I found that Win 10 had installed itself without my request or agreement.....:eek:

Apart from a missing driver (which took an age to replace) and a few unwanted taskbar icons, it doesn't seem much different to Win 8.1. Today I got rid of that stupid Cortana nonsense and changed a few privacy settings to frustrate Micro$oft's advertising income greed, but otherwise for the limited use for which I need the backup laptop, all seems OK.

But how dare Micro$oft act in this way!