hmmmmmmmmmmm......

Does not necessarily result in


and as for....

Personally, I'd rather not be BT's guninea pig early adopter. I still remember the early days of ADSL (amgonst other BT cash sinking initiatives). :ok:


Let's face it, 21CN is probably not going to change much quickly for those not in Tier 1 MSAN.

My point was less "chuck money at BT for their FTTx rollout", and more "don't tie yourself into a 12 month contract on ADSL and then suddenly find FTTx becomes (shock, horror) successful and then get narked that your neighbour is on 40mbit/s down 10mbit/s up". :ok:

I would imagine that BT would be making offers for you to switch even if you were in mid ADSL contract.

Which, in reality, is likely to be pure marketing drivel because of contention, packet-shaping and rate-limiting. Just like in today's ADSL world. The residential market will always be a volume market where the preference is to fight on price rather than quality.

I'm not saying it will never become successful. Just saying there are many reasons to be cautious about BT 21CN, and thus there are many reasons why signing a 12 month contract on existing technology in order to get a good deal is not exactly stupid either, 12 months isn't exactly very long either.

And by the way, coming back to ....

I forgot to mention the obvious that if they did not sink "a LOT" of cash into this rollout, then BT would likely be just commiting corporate suicide as they wouldn't have a competitive network going forward. So there wasn't exactly a great amount of choice in the matter.

Just a few quotes (excuse the spellunk and punkchewashun as they're verbatim quotes) from independent sources (my mates) about it:

p.s. 21CN != FTTx

You're like a dog gnawing on a bone MB.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :ok:

Agreed, mixture - one thing I think we can all agree on is that it would be very nice IF MB were right - however.

The only light at the end of the backhaul tunnel around here is that I understand BT are soon to be up begging for another 5 years 'funding' by government so I guess they will try to appear as if they are dong something.

We have had two 'mis-sellings' in this locale by BT sales, both 'promising' we are on a 'list' for exchange upgrade 'very soon' - both blatant lies and reported to and actioned by Trading Standards. They do not seem to learn, do they?

:ok: furry muff. Remember, my original tenet was much more benign than I think you're making it out to be - just to be aware that things are around the corner and to go into contracts with your eyes open. It's a statement that rings true in all walks of life, and I doubt you can get much of a meaningful discount with a 12 month contract versus a 1 month contract anyway :)

I am happy/expecting/hoping not to be proved wrong, but wouldn't it be nice if BT actually did something they said they would?

Besides, it won't immediately fix BOAC's issues, but in theory the revenue uplift from a successful early deployment might fill their coffers enough to accelerate deployment to the harder-to-reach areas - thus getting the government off their backs as well. :)

Does anyone know where there is information on timings for 21CN installations?

All the lists I find say either "Already done" or "No plans". Have they stopped, or are the lists not being maintained any more?

Keef - I am totally confused by all the froth from BT as to whether '21CN' is actually 'dead' and replaced by 'NGA', but here is the latest Openreach exchange FTTC schedule. NB there is another due late this month/early October.

http://tinyurl.com/3yodjyy

I note BT continues its predatory tactics - now at Erbistock.

thinkbroadband :: Openreach give Erbistock users option of migrating to another exchange

They really need stamping on hard - 80 customers - 'not worth it' until Erbistock start putting a lot of effort into a Rutland solution.

I'm with Plusnet now for the complete phone/broadband package. Not cheapest but very straightforward having been lied to and conned by Orange over the last 2 years.

I have a problem with an AOL spam message, maybe someone can advise me. These emails purport to come from a deceased friend of mine (2 yrs ago) and despite attempting to contact AOL I've had no joy stopping them at source. Anyone any advice?:confused:

If someone has 'harvested' the email address there is no way you can stop it. Does AOL have any sort of spam filter - ie can you set it to automatically delete emails from particular addresses?

If not, look at Mailwasher and set that to automatically delete on delivery.

BusyB

A little friendly word of advice for the future.

Do not hijack a thread with a completely unrelated question.

Not only is it bad "netiquette", but you will also find that starting a new thread will mean that your question gets more attention because it's not buried on page three of someone else's thread on a different topic.

I am with ZEN at home and have been for ~ 7 years. Of several ISPs I have used home and at work they are the only one with zero downtime and superb customer service. I recommend them highly.

On their old 512k/256k product they had no caps (and they still offer that I believe) but their current product (8192k/448k) is capped at 20GB each month. They email you when you reach 50% at or before the 15th.

Apologies Mixture:(

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Gaming should be no issue, downloading videos and p2p sharing are. If you are interested in gaming watch the difference between 'fast' and 'interleaved'.

With 53db attenuation on a rural exchange there isn't much near term hope here either.

Someone I know has a 58db line and rubbish service from Orange: would LLU help him (TalkTalk is an option) ? Also, do you have to give up your BT line and riska future £140+ reconnection fee ?

LLU isn't going to change the line attenuation to anything significantly different from the above.

I would rather hack off my testicles with a spoon than join TalkTalk/Tiscali/CPW.

busyb,

Don't worry about it, was only trying to help make sure your question got the exposure it deserved.... apologies if my wording at the time was slightly on the heavy side.

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I'll advise the testicle retention option then