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PompeyPaul 16th April 2009 21:23

Simply not true
 

This means that Apple can NEVER block the jailbreak unless they modify the hardware of the phone
Simply not true. Perform an unrestricted write to the phone, if it succeeds it's jail breaked, if it doesn't, it's not. I've detected whether your phone is broke or not. I then block the firmware upgrade. You're not stuck with all apps pre-blocking firmware.

Making out it's completely safe and you are garaunteed not to brick your phone is simply not true. Never say never.


I trust this post has been educational, but I'm getting rather bored of writing it now. The point still stands: there are many advantages and no disadvantages to jailbreaking your iPhone.
Ill informed maybe, but educational no
.

India Four Two 17th April 2009 03:50


Where would one start (assuming they have a mac) to learn how to write apps for the iPhone?
Besides Apple's official resources, this would also be a good place to start:

iPhone - O'Reilly Media

See the books by Jonathan Zdziarski

Shunter 17th April 2009 08:15

PompeyPaul, I'm afraid you're incorrect - or confusing the 3G with the original iPhone. Since no permanent modifications are made to the phone it can always be restored using unmodified Apple firmware. This was not true on the original iPhone, for which unlock exploits actually modified the bootloader itself. iPhones have something called DFU mode, which essentially means that when you connect it to a computer it says to iTunes "Dude, I'm utterly hosed. Fix me". In such circumstances iTunes doesn't even bother checking what's on the phone, it blows it away and puts whatever firmware you choose onto the phone (you know you can alt-click on the restore button in iTunes and it will let you choose any firmware file you want, right? You don't have to use Apple's latest and greatest). If you've managed to really really really bugger your phone (which is spectacularly difficult) there's still a way out, but it involves some intricate disassembly and a suitable PIC programmer.

I was playing around with keyboard layouts the other day and for some unknown reason I got to a point where whenever I opened an app requiring the keyboard (Mail, Safari etc) the app would crash; a known bug. This was remedied by opening an SSH session with the phone and manually fixing the keyboard maps. If my phone wasn't jailbroken I would have had to restore it and spend all day getting everything back where I wanted it.

As far as SIP calls go, there's nothing in the iPhone which specifically prevents them. There is however plenty in the iTunes App Store policy which does; mainly under pressure from network providers. Jailbreaking allows you to run any app, whether Apple approve of it or not. Whether there exists an app to make such calls I don't know - not something I have a need for as work pay the bill for my iPhone :ok:

You *can* get officially unlocked iPhones, just not in the UK. In countries which have laws to combat monopolistic practices they are available in stores. In France you can get an unlocked iPhone from Orange, and in Hong Kong you can buy them in the Apple store. In the UK it's the operator's choice whether they offer such an option; o2 can unlock iPhones if they want to, they just choose otherwise.

When an operator unlocks an iPhone, the IMEI is placed in a database maintain by Apple. This database is checked by iTunes every time your iPhone is synced. At that point, if the IMEI is in the database, an RSA token is downloaded to an area known as the seczone. This is also where the IMEI is stored. If the key matches the IMEI (and some other stuff), the phone unlocks. Job done. This area of flash is outside that used by both the onboard operating systems so is not modified during subsequent firmware upgrades.

moan 17th April 2009 14:36

AeroWeather is invaluable; PilotWiz and FlightPlan may be usefull, but CoPilot makes a perfect companion to AeroWeather.
It performs most tasks that the excellent Nav Box can (my usual flight planner) and some others Nav Box can’t.
Programming is quick and easy (once mastered that is, initially it’s not altogether intuitive) with an internet connection not needed. Rearranging destinations, waypoints wind, height etc. takes seconds only as does feeding in pre entered alternates – or for that matter, new waypoints.
Routes may be stored (but alas, not downloaded to GPS – but then, some might argue that this should be separate as a cross check.................
The database is comprehensive – airfields, VOR, NDB and a user waypoint database.
Minus points: No map – so user waypoints must be entered manually and my only real gripe, no VRP’s
Weight and balance and E6B calculators are provided.
With an internet connection, a CDI/DME is available, subject to the iphone’s GPS not having one of its periodic electric sulks
The main benefit (well to me anyway) is the ability to plan anywhere, anytime (“I’m on the train”) and to be able to amend quickly, if needed before, or even, during flight.
The help files are reasonable, but I had a poor response to an email question.
All very subjective of course, but it will only cost the price of a few minutes flying to check.

youngskywalker 17th April 2009 15:35

Do all these applications also work for the i-touch? If so I might buy one when I'm in the States. The price of the i-phone with 'o2' puts me off, a 24 month contract will add up to about £800!

PilotPieces 17th April 2009 20:03

So what is the windows mobile alternative to aeroweather and copilot then?

vanHorck 26th April 2009 15:26

new iphone apps which could be useful for pilots

Windspeed meter
goingApps

YouTube - iPhone Wind Meter - $0.99 Anemometer

Crash one 26th April 2009 16:07


Originally Posted by Planemike
I have little interest in much of this technology which just seems to be technology for its own sake. My other problem is that much of it is anything but user friendly and it is just too much trouble to bother learning how to use it.

I thought flying was about looking out the window & stuff.
What is the point of all this? what are "Apps"? why would you need to listen to millions of tunes/records or whatever they are called now? or play games whilst flying?
I have a mobile phone, I think it can take pictures as well, but I have a camera for that.
Must be an age thing, I really don't get it.
One day when the wizz kids come up with a hand held radar set that bleeps in my headset & gives me a readout on a chunk of aluminium whether or not the "target" has Mode A,C or S, then I'll buy one.

Molesworth 1 26th April 2009 17:50

Good point, Crash One.

I have yet to find an iPhone app which is useful in the cockpit (apart from the GPS if I am really really lost). Aeroweather is useful for reading METARS and TAFS quickly and PilotWhizz for pre-flight planning if I can't use my computer.

RAAus_Pilot 10th June 2009 01:53

iPhone aviation applications, what do you recommend & use?
 
Since Shagpile is doing a NAIPS app which will get widely used amongst the Australian iPhone users fraternity, I was wondering what relevant app's other iPhone users have and recommend.

I regularly use Pkt Weather as it has the BOM radars and you can set what locations you want, FlightPlan & iE6B.

So what have you got?

Jofm5 10th June 2009 02:28

Not sure if your only asking about aviation apps but....

Been playing about today with V-Cockpit GPS

It not something to be used as instrumentation in a light aircraft, but it is fun to play with - I have yet to take it out in the car to compare the speed my iphone reckons compared to my speedo - I dont fly (yet) so cant compare altitude etc with real life.

On the non aviation side, I use the telegraph and sky apps for news (both free) and bloomburg for stocks. I have a few other apps installed which are uk specific (e.g. tv guide) and I use accelgolf for my score cards.

RAAus_Pilot 10th June 2009 02:42

Yeah more along the lines of aviation apps, that V-Cockpit is more of a game isn't it? I can't see how it could be used in an aircraft due to the forces the accelerometer requires.

Very interesting though.

I've also got PilotWizPro which is pretty good as well.

Jofm5 10th June 2009 03:21


Yeah more along the lines of aviation apps, that V-Cockpit is more of a game isn't it?
I am not so sure I would call it a game as there is no objective other than to show off the functionality of the iphone - I am not sure on accuracy as have nothing to compare to but it is most definately not meant for use in aviation as all the documentation says and quite correctly it asks you to confirm that you understand this before running it.

Will have a look at the one you suggested as would be interesting to get some useful things when I do eventually do my ppl. I looked at a couple of weather apps and the pilots toolbox but did not seem to greate/intuitive (at least for me).

call100 10th June 2009 19:30

Aero Weather....Shows METAR and TAF of most airports....

greenhorn1 28th June 2009 09:14

IPhone & 3Gs, recommended apps ?
 
This is my first Iphone and I'm dead impressed :ok:

At then moment I've got the Airport app. which is quite good for Tafs, metars etc. , but there are so many I was wondering what hardened Iphone commercial pilot users would recommend.

Aerouk 28th June 2009 17:19

I'm not a commercial pilot, but I'm using:

- SafelogWeb (SafelogWeb) for my logbook
- AviationABB (Aviation Abbreviations, not sure why I got it to be honest)
- LiveATC (again, not sure why I got it)
- AirportMania (just to keep my entertained :})

AppleMacster 28th June 2009 22:16

Aerouk,

Here are some gems:

Aeroweather
Jet Fueling
If you are a Mac user, this is a great companion app to LogTen Pro: LogTen Mobile
For the occasional conversion and calculation: Pilot Wizz

Applemacster.

BRL 6th August 2009 13:52

So what is the best phone chaps, the N97 or the iPhone?????

liam548 6th August 2009 14:04


Originally Posted by BRL (Post 5108262)
So what is the best phone chaps, the N97 or the iPhone?????


can of worms there :)

I much prefer the Nseries devices. They can do everything and more the iphone can do imo.

PompeyPaul 6th August 2009 17:10

I go iPhone
 
As a developer I want my software on the largest platform so I publish everything on iPhone. As the maxim usually goes, software sells hardware so if you want the richest software collection go iPhone.

Aerouk 6th August 2009 18:24

Having had the Nokia N97 I must says it's probably one of the worst phones I have ever used. The software is sluggish, unfriendly and plain old crap! They talk about it being competition to the iPhone, my ass!

If you're wanting a good phone, stick to the Blackberry/HTC/iPhone/Palm Pre, Nokia have lost it.

call100 6th August 2009 20:02

Not the Old my phone is better than your phone argument??????
Do your research and get a phone that does what you want it to. If you get one you are going to moan about it's because you didn't do enough research and you have no one else to blame.
Once you have it, stop knocking other phones that others have because they do what they want them to.
Peace Brothers....:ok:

Aerouk 7th August 2009 00:42

Call100,

Not at all.

I currently work within the industry (sadly!) and get to play around with loads of phones every month. I was lucky enough to get my hands on an unlocked Nokia N97 to see what it was like but I was so disappointed with it!

Just went back to using my 3GS.

crewmeal 7th August 2009 07:54

aerouk


I was lucky enough to get my hands on an unlocked Nokia N97
Was stuffed full of operators software? I've tested an Arabic version of the N97 and it's brilliant. Software is quick, youtube is good (depending on wifi speed) I'm about to purchase one for around £320 at todays rate of exchange

call100 7th August 2009 10:07


Originally Posted by Aerouk (Post 5109336)
Call100,

Not at all.

I currently work within the industry (sadly!) and get to play around with loads of phones every month. I was lucky enough to get my hands on an unlocked Nokia N97 to see what it was like but I was so disappointed with it!

Just went back to using my 3GS.

Sorry, my post wasn't aimed at you. Just the argument in general. I've tried a few phones that are not that bad and can do some things my IPhone can't. After several trials I keep coming back to my IPhone. The only thing I would like it to do that it currently doesn't is Flash, Though there are rumours that Adobe are working on it...That said, Its a wish not a need....
I still hold by the argument that research should be done and whatever phone does it for you is the best phone for you. Once you have it, it seems pointless running down others.
But hey we seem to have gone off thread on this one......

Apps for IPhone
Aeroguide
AeroWeather
FlightCode
Airport Mania
Shozu
Evernote
ICarRadio
CalenGoo

I think that may have redeemed the thread!!:)

RAAus_Pilot 7th August 2009 11:05

NAIPS
CoPilot
FlightPlan
PilotWizPro
MotionX GPS
Currency

All used frequently!

Jofm5 7th August 2009 11:07


Though there are rumours that Adobe are working on it...That said, Its a wish not a need....

Was chatting to a friend of mine who is a flash developer and has close contact with adobe. According to his sources Apple want quite a large licence agreement from Adobe for flash - the reason being is that it is a direct competitor to Apple Quicktime.

A good weather app (and seems more accurate than most in my experience) is Meteo Weather Pro. What is nice is if you can graph the expected precipitation by hour over the next few days - I use this to time booking my lessons and have been quite successful.

The above is the pay app tho I believe there is a lite version for free.

Shunter 7th August 2009 13:22

Adobe have had a working flash player available internally for the iPhone for a long time. The problem with Flash is that it executes arbitrary third-party code. That's the sticking point as Apple are control-freaks who want the ability to vet all executable code which finds its way either directly or indirectly onto iPhones; something obviously impossible with Flash, just as with Java.

Aerouk 7th August 2009 21:30

Crewmeal,

We were given them directly from Nokia to test them out before they were released. I mean Vodafone were selling them for £150 one off fee plus a £40 contract over 18/24months

Why would I pay that when I can get the other phones which are all a hell of a lot better? I just think Nokia are way out of their depths these days.

AppleMacster 11th August 2009 13:01

Even The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW) is interested (!):

Five Apps For Aviators

Applemacster

greenhorn1 27th August 2009 08:46

Flight Time Limitations app for Iphone
 
Anybody found a half decent FTL app for the Iphone yet ?

iflytb20 28th August 2009 09:34

I use the following apps:

iE6B - Just in case ;)
Jet Fueling - To covert Kilos of fuel into Liters
FlightCrewiLog - To keep track of my flights, hours and duty times.
AeroWeather - For Wx
xeCurrency - For the latest exchange rates.
Flight Control - To kill time in cruise:E

The Blimp 22nd September 2009 05:35

Here's a good insight into how one aviation company uses their iphones:

Apple - iPhone in Business - Profiles - Airship Ventures

dv8 20th October 2009 14:22

Can anyone recomend an app to be able to read pprune on the iPhone?

call100 20th October 2009 15:53

Safari......Get it on the internet as you do on your home PC.....:}

dv8 20th October 2009 18:04

Err.... thanks call 100 :rolleyes:

I believe is an app dedicated to browsing forums So that you don't have to zoom in and out

call100 21st October 2009 10:24

Sorry, didn't mean it to sound as it did..:O
You are perfectly correct, there is an App for forums....I've not tried it I just use Safari and don't have enough problems to justify the spend, It costs £2.99 I think...
Check this out....
Forums for iPhone

I suggest you read the reviews in iTunes before downloading it..

Hope it's what you wanted..:ok:

WeLieInTheShadows 24th October 2009 10:44

Broken iPhone Screen
 
Sorry if this is a little off thread but I broke my 3G iPhone screen recently.

Absolutley gutted. Apple wanted £120 for the honour of fixing it!

After a little research I found this item on ebay.

3G Apple iPhone screen DIY repair new GLASS / DIGITIZER on eBay (end time 31-Oct-09 10:25:03 GMT)


Came the next day with all tools, instructions, and adhesive to do the job, and I had it good as new in an hour.

The guy was SO helpful when I emailed him asking questions as I didn't want to put just anything in my iPhone.

I was a little dubious about it being a genuine part as stated, but sure enough when it arrived it had APPLE on the connectors unlike some of the others I'd seen on the net.

Bit off thread I know, but though iPhone users would want to know about this as it saves you a fortune if your clumsy and a bit of a tight wad like me.

As for Apps - WUNDER RADIO is awesome although bit expensive. It's more reliable than the free radio apps I've found, and you can get pretty much any station including the BBC ones!

Also big fan of....

EBAY
CALENGOO
THE TRAIN LINE - just been released and free!

All the best

WLITS

Supermattt 5th November 2009 19:26

iPhone Apps
 
Hello,

I've been using free version of Pilot Wizz but thought I'd ask if anyone has any views on this or other pilot related apps, good bad, interesting?

Cheers
Matt

Nashers 5th November 2009 19:41

areo weather- gives you all the TAFS for all the airports you set. very good.

FlightCom UK- quic kreferance list of radio frequencies. however said to have a few mistakes.

xWind- quick cross wind calculations

myConcert- good for many things other that flying but i use it for distance calculations as well as speed.

AirTycoon- nothing to do with helping you fly yourself but fantastic game to play and great fun for many hours. infact its the ONLY app i have payed for so far on my phone. everything else including the ones above are free.


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