FS2000 a New Prob!!
 

Id be grateful if anyone could help. I got FS2000 last yr, installed it..no probs. However, I recently, it it crashed. Since then, I have been able to load the program. I tried to uninstall (as it says) and then reinstall, however I keep getting the same msg “FS2000 Caused an Illegal operation etc etc” A bit scary!
If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. If not, does anyone know of a Microsoft Support line within the UK, who I could call for info?
Cheers http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif

Crashes of one form or another seem to happen to me and nearly everyone I know who has the program. If you go to the MS FS2000 web site you can download the latest 10mb update patch...but even the readme file on it says that it won't fix all of the known faults in the program.

FS2000 link: www.microsoft.com/games/fs2000/downloads_fsupdate.htm

[This message has been edited by clownfish (edited 06 January 2000).]

Try the forums at http://www.fltsim.com
you have to register but it is free plus thare are loads of other downloads available.

Yeah, but I cant even load the prog. anymore!
Pain in the seated area it is!
Anyone got a number for Microsoft Support?
(UK)
Cheers

United Kingdom
Microsoft Limited
Phone: (0870) 60 10 100
Fax: (0870) 60 20 100

Microsoft Technical Support
· Desktop Applications, Home Products, Personal Operating Systems and hardware. 0870 50 10 100
· Developer Products 0870 50 10 200
· Business Systems 0870 50 10 300
· Customers phoning from Ireland should dial 706 5353 for technical support.
Pre-Sales Information: Microsoft Connection (0345) 00 2000

Try this page http://search.support.microsoft.com/...&Fr=0&DU=C&SG=

SYMPTOMS
When you start Combat Flight Simulator, Flight Simulator 98, or Flight Simulator 2000, the computer may stop responding (hang), or you may receive one of the following error messages:
· An Exception 0D has occurrence at 0020c104DE in vxd vip...
· A fatal Exception 30 has occured ...
CAUSE
This behavior can occur if a Creative Labs Sound Blaster AWE 64 sound card is installed in your computer, and the version of the sound driver is older than version 4.38.
RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue, download and install the latest version of the sound driver for your sound card from the following Creative Labs Web site: http://www.soundblaster.com


Flight Simulator 2000: "System Error" When You Attempt to Start the Program

The information in this article applies to:
· Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000
· Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 Professional Edition

SYMPTOMS
When you attempt to start Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000, you may receive the following error message:

System error.
CAUSE
This behavior can occur if the following conditions are true:

· An ATI Rage 128 video adapter is installed in the computer.

· Version 4.11.1.2126 of the video driver for the ATI Rage 128 video adapter is installed on the computer.
RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue, obtain and install the latest video driver for the ATI Rage 128 video adapter from the following ATI Technologies Inc. Web site: http://www.atitech.com


Flight Simulator 2000 Troubleshooter

Other Programs That Are Running on Your Computer May Interfere with Flight Simulator 2000
Quit any unnecessary programs that are running on your computer. To do this:
1. On the Windows taskbar, right-click the button for a program, and then click Close.
Repeat this step to for each button on the Windows task bar.
2. Disable any anti-virus or disk tool programs installed on the computer. For information about how to disable these programs, see the printed or online documentation for the program.
3. Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE to open the Close Program dialog box.
4. Quit all programs except Explorer and Systray (which are components of Microsoft Windows). To quit a program, click the program, and then click End Task.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 to quit all programs except Explorer and Systray



[This message has been edited by spannersatcx (edited 08 January 2000).]

10Mb patch!!! My A---e!!! look's like MS have rewritten the whole bloody program!!!

Typical!!!!

If I close everything in the taskbar..will that still come up again when I switch my PC on next time?
Everything worked fine before! Loaded straight up and everything!
Im desperate now, and I miss flying! The WX is crap and now the PC!!
BTW on FS2000 I saw at the Flt Taining Exhibition a demo where you can hear Cabin noise, ie Pax chatting. I didnt get it when I worked the first time. Is it just me?

My 10-year-old son, who became a dab hand at flying the C172 inverted under most London bridges in FS98, is extremely fed up with FS2000 which I got for Xmas because our computer cannot handle it properly.

The note on the box said min requirements 166Mhz, 32MB etc etc and while our machine is 200MHz, has 96MB, plenty of space HD space, the frames rate is so low the sim is like a slide show (2.5 to 8frames pc with lowest density for scenery etc).

I now need to spend about £500-£600 upgrading the computer to run the sim properly. I can say that I am not best pleased with Microsoft for publishing apparently misleading info on the sim packaging.

FS2000 experts reckon you need at least a 500MHz processor, 256MB ram and graphics card with at least 16MB, but preferably 32MB RAM to make it work properly at around 30 frames per sec.

Cheers SS

Stan, my comments for your remarks here and on the processor thread.

1. I found very little difference with frame rate by having the FS2000 graphic options turned on or turned off.

2. I first ran FS2000 on an AMD K6-2-350 with a 16mb Banshee card. Result=unplayable (frame rate too slow to land the thing).

3. I am now using the AMD K7-500 with a 32mb TNT2 card, 192mbPC133 ram and a high speed ATA66 hard drive. Result=playable, but the frame rate halves when it comes across 3D scenery (which looks great).

4. I have seen it played on a K7-700 with a 16mb VooDoo3 graphic card and to date that is the best I have seen.

5. FS-98 runs like greased lightning on any of the above combos.

Thanks Clownfish


Looks like I will have to chuck away existing set up and buy a complete new box of tricks with 700MHz, 256MR Ram Superdooperwhizzo Graphics card with 32MB ram.

All sounds rather expensive. Got any comments on the cheapest possible option with a 700MHz processor?

Usual offer applies...beer or three in return for info...London on Jan 12 or Ash Bash in May!

Personally, I wouldn't spend anything on an upgrade simply to run FS2000 at this time. Firstly, whilst the program is OK, it will only get better with time as the bugs are sorted out and secondly the price of processors that run the thing smoothly will only get cheaper as the faster come on line. Another point mentioned elsewhere is the new gen graphic cards that take some of the load off the processor.

Summary=the program is not that good that you can't wait six months to affordably run it...IMHO

I currently run FS2K, Fly!, CFS, FUIII, all with acceptable frame rates.
My set-up is PII 350, 160mb Ram, 32mb TNT2.
All the hints & tips I have seen for all the various fltsims around emphasize RAM, RAM, RAM!
If you can get more system Ram, and a decent sized graphics card Ram, you shouldn't have to scrap your current processor(166mhz or faster).
Having said that, Ram is currently at a high price per mb.

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[This message has been edited by jfe117 (edited 10 January 2000).]

On all the forums related to FS2K the same story is as here. The graphics cards are not up to the job.

What I have found is that Voodoo and TNT cards, plus some ATI cards, are causing chaos. The starting point should be getting the latest drivers downloaded from their respective sites.

200mhz will run it, but the Graphics card HAS to be good. You can, if you seek them out, exchange a 200mhz CPU for a higher one.

I use a Matrox Millenium G400 card (currently £85inc VAT ((was higher))) and it suits FS2K perfectly. I get frame rates of over 40-75 with it. I also run a Celeron 400mhz and 128mb of RAM. No more is needed. Certainly not 256mb of RAM!

I can understand problems for those with continuous problems.
However, when I FIRST installed FS2K, it was near perfect! Not even slow either.
Now its wont even start!
I get a spurious msg saying
THIS PROGRAM HAS PERFORMED AN ILLEGAL OPERATION AND WILL BE SHUT DOWN
I dont know why it doesnt work anymore!
Ive Uninstalled and then reinstalled etc. Still no joy! (At £59.99 from PC World, it better be Damned legal!!)
HELP!!

BTW, Any news on the cabin noise thing? (Especially to those with Super performance machines!)

Bovingdon,

Try this. De-frag before you install FS2K and de-frag after.

It might be a good idea if you scandisk before the de-frag if you haven't done it for some time.

Also, check disc 1. There have been cracked discs from the manufacturer's and MS will replace them.

[This message has been edited by InFinRetirement (edited 11 January 2000).]

Bovington, the price you say indicates you have FS2000 Pro version. Hope I'm not stating the obvious - but - to run FS2000 pro you must have DISK 2 in your cd rom drive and not disk 1. On disk 3 there are extra sound files that can be installed, not sure, but these may contain the sounds you seek. It was also recommended to do a complete install, which is arounf 1GB. It helps to improve speed etc.
There are several read me files on the cd's not sure if they'll help.

Stan Sted,

My advice for minimum FS2000 requirements would be 500MHzP3, 128MB Ram and 16MB Graphics. As far as I can make out (and I have been studying forums daily since October) the most important factor is CPU speed but all three interact so none of the three factors should be below the above specs. I am running absolutely flawlessly on 700MHz, 256MB and 32MB so whilst this is a top end system it can be done.

Great forum exists at www.microwings.com

Hope this info is of use.

DTA

Thanks for that....I am currently studying the computer mags for the cheapest set up.

thanks

SS

I'm running it on a P3 500, 128 mb ram, 32 mb video card (similar to DTA's suggestion), and getting a frame rate of 20 per second in cruise, although if you fly into cloud it'll drop to about 4 per second. Frame rates on landing are usually 15-16.

If you want to check this, hit shift+z twice and it'll display the frame rate in the top left hand corner of the screen.
http://www.simflight.com has lots of useful info on this topic, well worth a look. However it has already been suggested that FS2K is no more than a beta for FS2002 or whatever they're going to call it! :)

It is a lot better than FS98 when it's running smoothly though, but I wouldn't recommend spending a fortune on an upgrade just for this....spend your money on real flying hours instead ;)

Bov,
I suffered a similar problem when I first got FS2000. My problem was something to do with corrupted registry entries. The way I got it back running was when re-installing FS2000, to not use the same folder that the original setup was loaded in. When it asks which folder you want FS2000 loaded into, enter c:\fs2000 rather than the c:\program files\microsoft games\fs2000. The setup program will ask if you would like to create that new folder, to which you click yes.
This may not be your problem, and I am certainly no computer wiz, but it is worth a go. Good luck!