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mixture 11th May 2012 16:39


PCs and Macs can file share over a network, but it can be difficult to set up. I have encountered Windows machines that refuse to mount Mac shares and vice versa, even when settings are identical to other working pairs.
Thursby Dave on a Mac.... Robert's your uncle, no probes with accessing windows shares again.

And if you really can't get shares going, you can also just resort to FTP or SFTP. The mac has both of those built-in and you can get free FTP/SFTP servers for windows.


NTFS is OK for a one way transfer from PC to Mac, as the Mac can read NTFS, but won't write to them.
When was the last time you Googled the words Mac and NTFS together ? :cool:

See Paragon NTFS for Mac or Tuxera NTFS for Mac.

Paragon also do HFS+ for Windows.

Never used em myself because I use network shares to get around the file system format problem. But they are out there !

mutt 11th May 2012 17:16

Try Neooffice for your word processing requirements, its free! It also includes presentation, spreadsheet and database functions. As for photos, try Picassa, once again its free.

Mutt

Milo Minderbinder 11th May 2012 17:58

Mutt

Is NeoOffice significantly different from OpenOffice / LibreOffice to use it in preference?

mutt 11th May 2012 18:10

My limited understanding was that open office worked on PC, Neooofice worked on MAC....

Mutt

Mac the Knife 11th May 2012 20:43

NeoOffice was created when there was no Open/LibreOffice for Mac.

Used it for a while - pretty nice.

Now that Open/LibreOffice have Mac versions, little advantage and it costs.

Mac :ok:

[sorry NeoOffice.....!]

peterh337 29th May 2012 20:24

Can Ipad browse an OFFLINE website?
 
Under windoze this is trivial. Click on index.htm and off it goes, running the locally stored website tree off the hard drive etc.

There seems to be no obvious way of doing that on IOS. One may be able to fetch a website (going through every possible link, however) and somehow retain the cache, but the browser will reload many/most pages when you do Back etc...

The Ipad is not (yet) jailbroken but I can access some app directories using Iphone Explorer. For example I can drag/drop files into Goodreader's Documents directory and that works great for loading PDFs to read later, without messing with Itunes.

So I need an app whose Documents dir is externally accessible and which is a web browser :)

MacBoero 29th May 2012 20:41

App store...

Atomic Web Browser
Terra Web Browser

Terra was free if I remember rightly.

peterh337 29th May 2012 21:37

Can one access the workspace of these directly, or does it need some Itunes process?

MacBoero 29th May 2012 22:33

I haven't looked at them for some time, but I believe one of them integrates with DropBox.

peterh337 30th May 2012 07:31

One loses the will to live, trying to bend a Church of Jobs product to do something which their Politburo didn't intend...

mixture 30th May 2012 12:36

peterh337 ,

Sigh.... yet more un-necessary Apple bashing. :=

To be frank, browsing websites offline is not something your average punter is ever likely to feel the urge to do, whether they use Apple, Android or something else.

As for your "Politburo didn't intend" comment.... when was the last time you were involved in quality software development ? Adding a feature like offline browsing takes more than a couple of lines of code.

Hence the functionality is not built-in. Submit a feature-request if you want it to be on their radar for future developments, just like you would with any other vendor.

peterh337 30th May 2012 17:37


As for your "Politburo didn't intend" comment.... when was the last time you were involved in quality software development ?
Since the 1970s... continuously, embedded software for industrial use (= no bugs that any customer should discover).


Adding a feature like offline browsing takes more than a couple of lines of code.
Yes; it's called a "browser" :)

The basic issue is that IOS works hard to not expose what is normally called a "file system".

Yet, the file system is there, exposed perfectly well (to a degree supported by Apple) using widely used tools, with no jailbreaking involved.

Anyway, Atomic Web browser says it supports "Option to save webpages as HTML Only or Complete (Webarchive)" so I will give that a try :ok: One has to go online first and let it grab the whole lot, which is OK.

beardy 1st June 2012 14:20

browse an offline website
 
On ipad I use iSaveWeb pro

App Store - iSaveWeb - web pages saving tool

It takes time to download web pages, but is very good

Rather be Gardening 8th June 2012 06:38

Emails disappearing from IPad
 
I was checking my emails on the IPad last night (TalktTalk account). I noticed there were 4 new ones but couldn't open them, then they all disappeared - opened and unopened ones. Not in the trash. Checked the account today on the PC - none of the ones I noticed last night were there. There was one email I particularly needed to read - anyone got any idea of what went wrong and what I can do to put it right?

Milo Minderbinder 8th June 2012 08:45

any chance someone else read then on another machine?

how much is in the mailbox? AOL impose a limit on how big a mailbox in their system can be. Not sure what it is, but when you hit it funny things like this can happen

Rather be Gardening 8th June 2012 09:30

Hi Milo, There were only 5 emails in the inbox. Nothing in any of the other folders. Other machine (PC) was on standby, not in use when it happened.

Milo Minderbinder 8th June 2012 14:20

and no chance anyone has hacked the account?

Symptoms suggest they were read and deleted from another machine - maybe by someone who has broken in.
Obviously I don't know if thats correct, but I'd treat it as time to change passwords on the account

Other logical option is that you deleted a bunch in error without realising - only you can answer to the liklihood of that

Rather be Gardening 8th June 2012 18:00

No chance account was hacked - have recently changed password. I'm certain I didn't block-delete - couldn't even get the blessed things to open, then pfff, they were gone! I had a quick shufti at the TalkTalk customer forum - looks as if TT might be the cause of the problem as others are reporting missing emails/blocked accounts/unable to read mail etc. :( Can anyone recommend an alternative provider? :*

Wageslave 10th June 2012 11:57

Jailbreak my iPad?
 
I'm new to iPad and have read about jailbreaking. Can the cognoscenti outline the whys and wherefores of this, what the advantages and uses are, and opinions on the value of the procedure?

green granite 10th June 2012 12:18

It's so you can add non Apple approved applications to it. It voids the warranty.

Milo Minderbinder 10th June 2012 12:21

you also run the risk of turning it into a brick if a software update is incompatible with the jailbreak

its only something to do if you want to play with alternative software, and can afford the loss

Mr Optimistic 10th June 2012 12:50

a) find dark room
b) lie down:O

Ancient Observer 10th June 2012 18:09

SWMBO's ipad has tempted me, but as an ignoramt soul, the future brick aspect is Apple's deterrent.

Meanwhile, if they paid tax in the UK, which they do not, I would feel happier about their monopoly pricing and tax dodging. (Sorry mixture)

Milo Minderbinder 10th June 2012 18:39

the "future brick" risk only applies if you try to ***k about with it, normal use isn't a risk
if all you want to do is use it "as designed" then theres no problem.

Why would anyone want to jailbreak one anyway? I can understand and sympathise with the anti-Apple "I want my computer to be unrestricted" ethos, but when you get down to it, the things work as designed. Why bother risking breaking it? For most people they work well enough "as is"

mixture 10th June 2012 20:35

Wageslave,

Rather simple really.

If you have to ask, you don't need to do it.

End of story.

mixture 10th June 2012 20:38

AO,


monopoly pricing and tax dodging.
Yeah bring up the same old boring rubbish why don't you. :ugh:

I've said it once and I've said it before. They are not the only corporate doing it, and there are many corporates doing the tax thing in a much more creative way than Apple (the Financial Sector for a start has a whole discipline called "Financial Engineering" in which many large entities have a division in, a great proportion of which constitutes looking at taxation elements). I can also name you many companies with monopoly pricing (a certain well known UK telecoms brand for a start :E)

So it is not fair to bemoan and single out Apple !

Simple.

crewmeal 11th June 2012 05:18

Many people jailbreak ipads and iphones because they don't want to pay for the more expensive apps. An example of this is downloading tomtom sat nav which I believe is around £50 to buy. It's the same with Android, except you 'root' your smartphone and that's more complicated to do with bigger risks.

Now Piratebay is not available in the UK because of a court ruling, there will be a lot of disappointed people out there who will have to start paying.

mixture 11th June 2012 06:26


Now Piratebay is not available in the UK because of a court ruling, there will be a lot of disappointed people out there who will have to start paying.
And a good thing too. If the scum who insist on downloading or making available pirated software had any experience in the software development industry, they wouldn't do it. Infact their community service sentence should be to work for a software development company, ideally in level 1 support reading off a script all day !

Developing and maintaining quality software doesn't come cheap or easily.

Keef 11th June 2012 10:19

As he said above: if you need to ask, you don't need to jailbreak it.

Apple claim it voids the warranty, but I doubt that's ever been tested in anger. If it doesn't work, they can't tell it's jailbroken. If it misbehaves, you can restore it to pre-jailbroken status.

Mine is jailbroken (as is the iPhone) because there is software I want to run that Apple don't approve of. The brick risk with those items is minimal. Messing with the innards may be more hazardous.

Milo Minderbinder 11th June 2012 14:36

Code:

work for a software development company, ideally in level 1 support reading off a script all day
Please, don't remind me. I don't want to ever think about that again.....actually what was worse was taking the customer support overload calls during busy periods.



As for the PirateBay, my ISP either isn't blocking it or has been given the runaround. Blocking its a waste of time anyway - see
The Pirate Bay evades ISP blockade with IPv6, can do it 18 quintillion more times | ExtremeTech
Having said that, Mixture is totally correct when he talks about bootleg software

Mike-Bracknell 11th June 2012 14:52


Originally Posted by Milo Minderbinder (Post 7238874)
As for the PirateBay, my ISP either isn't blocking it or has been given the runaround. Blocking its a waste of time anyway

Technically yes, but social-engineering-wise no. If those who downloaded films and music 'for free' all day long were made to recognise the illegality of it all then it wouldn't happen. If you can, at a stroke, block the 99% of people who do it but don't know how it all works, you're much closer to a solution.

green granite 11th June 2012 15:01

Yep the IPv6, address isn't blocked by BT, I've just tried it.

Do you really think they don't know it's illegal Mike? I suspect most of them do but since the possibility of being prosecuted are virtually zero they don't care.

Mike-Bracknell 11th June 2012 15:18


Originally Posted by green granite (Post 7238911)
Yep the IPv6, address isn't blocked by BT, I've just tried it.

Do you really think they don't know it's illegal Mike? I suspect most of them do but since the possibility of being prosecuted are virtually zero they don't care.

I'm sure they know it's illegal, but they think they're untouchable. Start encroaching into that comfort zone and you'll watch a lot of illegality disappear overnight.

Shunter 11th June 2012 16:05

1. It is impossible to brick an iPad by jailbreaking it. A DFU-mode restore completely bypasses everything on the internal flash storage. Any software-induced system failure can be rectified.

2. Under UK consumer law Apple would have to prove that jailbreaking the device directly contributed to the reason for warranty claim.

3. Jailbreaking != piracy. Some choose to use it as a mechanism by which to facilitate it, but personally I use it to install the standard suite of Unix tools for work purposes. These tools are free and open source, hence you cannot "pirate" them. The pirates are usually children who can't afford them and hence would not buy them anyway, or adults who could afford them but would never pay because they're tight (I know plenty of these). Whilst I don't for 1 minute condone software piracy the same is true in that as it is of music; the vast majority of pirated copies do NOT represent a lost sale, a fact which content providers repeatedly ignore because it does not suit their extortion strategy.

mixture 11th June 2012 17:27


2. Under UK consumer law Apple would have to prove that jailbreaking the device directly contributed to the reason for warranty claim.
Are you sure about that ?

I would argue that if Apple can demonstrate the device has been jailbroken, then they would be within their rights to make a case that the device has not been used in the manner for which it has been designed.

If you've altered the goods, which jailbreaking most certainly is, then you're deemed to have accepted them.

green granite 11th June 2012 17:46

I think you might be on dodgy ground there Mixture, if you carry that to it's logical conclusion if you buy a PC that has, say, McAfee pre-installed and remove it you void the warranty. Besides eventually, if you take it that far, it would be the court to says whether or not it voided the warranty, they might decide for example the law of unreasonable contract applies.

mixture 12th June 2012 07:36

gg,

I do not think it is correct to equate "jailbreaking" with the ability to install/uninstall software from a device.

One is a commonly understood and accepted mode of operation for most computing platforms. The other is a means of bypassing the commonly accepted mode of operation of a device.

Further :

Sale of Goods Act 1979, s14(2B)(a)

fitness for all the purposes for which goods of the kind in question are commonly supplied
I would argue that jailbreaking is not a purpose for which the goods are commonly supplied.

green granite 12th June 2012 08:43

One could also argue that Apple are using restrictive practices which reduces competition from apps writers and is therefore wrong.

I do appreciate why they do it though but I suggest they only get away with it because of their large customer base for whom they can do no wrong, if another company did it sales would probably be poor.

This discussion could go on for ever :)

PrettyBoy 12th June 2012 16:07

Jailbreaking iphones/ipads is like expresso. If you don't know what it is, you don't want it.

Taking advice from those who never tried jailbreaking is not very useful. Many of those have fully bought the Apple mantra and has decided that it's dangerous/warranty breaking/illegal/unnecessary (take your pick). If you have used a jailbroken iphone and explored the possibilities, then a regular iphone feels very "square". Of course, if you are happy with what Apple tells you that you need then enjoy it!

ORAC 13th June 2012 10:58

I used to jailbreak my iPhone a couple of years back when the choice of Apps was restricted and it was the only way to enable tethering. But the hassle whenever there was an OS update was a bind.

Nowadays I don't bother, there's no "killer app" only available outside the App Store for my uses, so I'm happy to stay with the standard OS version.

Same with unlocking, O2 will unlock mine if I ask, but that's only useful if I want to install a local SIM if I go abroad, and I'm home based now and always pick hotels with Wi-Fi for the internet and have I have Skype installed for calls; so, again, happy with the baseline.


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