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mad_jock 22nd Jan 2015 11:38

Windows 10
 
BBC News - Windows 10 to get 'holographic' headset and Cortana

I still think they would be better having a XP front end option.

Oh and the OS they need to give free upgrades from is XP never mind 7 and 8.

Its still hanging in there with 18% usage above win8/8.1 at 13%

Booglebox 22nd Jan 2015 12:54

Is the W10 front end so different from XP?
Colour it blue, enable taskbar labels, and remove all "tiles" from the start menu and I think it's pretty similar...

dazdaz1 22nd Jan 2015 12:56

I'm running W7 Was considering buying a new lappy with W8 might hang on now and take the free W10 That is, pending reviews of W10

mad_jock 22nd Jan 2015 13:07

It needs to be so similar its exactly the same. In fact put a box on the first log in do you want this to look and and act like win xp.

ExXB 22nd Jan 2015 13:26

What happened to Windows 4, 5, 6 and 9? (Rhetorical question)

Thank goodness they are giving it away free for a year, but does that mean that its 'free for a year' and you'll have to pay next year, (Like Office 365) or that it's free this year, but if you want it next year it could cost you?

Wonder if it also means that they will be providing it free, for a year, to OEMs. Somehow that doesn't seem very likely.

Bushfiva 22nd Jan 2015 13:58

You have one year to upgrade from eligible systems.

dazdaz1 22nd Jan 2015 14:13

Would I have to save my all photos/videos/saved word documents before updating to W10 ? Would W7 be permanently deleted/overwritten?

It might be prudent to update, my reason of thinking, how long for, will W7 be supported with updates?

le Pingouin 22nd Jan 2015 14:53

Win7 has just entered the extended support phase (security updates only) and support ceases January 2020:

Microsoft Product Lifecycle Search.


Back-ups are always prudent, particularly when upgrading an OS. You never know when you'll select the wrong option and wipe your drive or trip over the power cord half way through.

It would be best to consider Win7 gone if you do an upgrade. Assuming you have your Win7 installation disc and key you'd be able to reinstall - recovering a previously installed version of Windows may be possible but don't rely on it.

I guess in part it depends on whether you think the system in question will still be in use in 5 years time. Then again if it's free and you can cope with reinstalling Win7 if necessary and MS does a reasonable job this time around then why not?

dazdaz1 22nd Jan 2015 15:29

Thank you le Pingouin for that info.

Rwy in Sight 26th Jan 2015 11:25

Bushfiva,

Once you upgrade would you still need to pay or all updates are received free of charge?

KBPsen 26th Jan 2015 17:21


This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no additional charge.
The next generation of Windows: Windows 10

ExXB 26th Jan 2015 18:25

Well Bravo to Microsoft! Even though they weren't the first to adopt this policy it's very good to see that they have done so.

FullOppositeRudder 26th Jan 2015 21:41

From the announcement in the link above:


We also believe that interacting with technology should be as natural as interacting with people – using voice, pen, gestures and even gaze for the right interaction, in the right way, at the right time.
That should be interesting.... :8

Guest 112233 26th Jan 2015 22:05

Well ?
 
(...) we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device(...)

That depends on the Device.

An install DVD/CD is yours

A downloaded .iso file is yours: OK its possibly out of sequence and needs support updates. You can still install it (keys permitting) as above. Updates you may pay for its your choice and an action of your volition.

A token card posted to you and a necessary concomitant act of installation, dependent; on an existing internet connection, is a conditional offer of service obtained under a potential constraint, you can potentially claim back your costs if the internet fails during the install. Note the additional insurance on some sites.

The offer of a product, although without an initial charge, within its potential offer, does not contain, protection (without prejudice), that forthcoming potentially essential upgrades, of the installed product, denoted by established trade marks, dependent though they may be on the installation of the initial product, any guarantee, that succeeding enhancements will also be offered without charge. Has anyone seen the terms and conditions associated with the sales of Windows 10 ?

ExXB 27th Jan 2015 05:07

With another OS, you can burn a copy of the instillation file to a USB chip. I regularly do this with every major update.

This also means one download, if you have more than one machine.

I would imagine the same would be possible with Windows, with or without MS's support.

MidlandDeltic 27th Jan 2015 14:58

Looks to me like a strategy to avoid another end of XP support disaster by forcing updates whether users want them or not - which will doubtless include silly interface ideas each time. If it is free (including updates) how are they going to make money? My guess is through targeted advertising direct to the desktop, using data gathered by this "Cortona" "assistant" rubbish. I hope you will be able to turn such rubbish off (along with one drive, etc, etc)

MD (Grumpy Old Man!)

Rwy in Sight 23rd Feb 2015 16:28

Who upgraded from Windows 8?
 
I put this thread up again to ask if any PPRuNer updated from Win 8 to 10 taking up the offer?

Rwy in Sight

mixture 23rd Feb 2015 17:06


I put this thread up again to ask if any PPRuNer updated from Win 8 to 10 taking up the offer?
As far as I know, Windows 10 has not yet even gone Gold Master, so its far from being released.

Only idiots install beta software on their production computers, and only morons install beta operating systems on their production computers !

Not intended to insult or offend anybody (and, for the avoidance of doubt those words were NOT targeted at Rwy in Sight specifically !) , just spelling out the harsh reality of IT, especially Microsoft software !

Rule number 2 (rule number one is BACKUP !!!!) of IT is that you don't install beta/preview software on a machine you use for real work !

If you've got a dummy box or virtual machine you want to play with Windows 10 on then fine... go to the MS website and grab it ... but if you're remotely contemplating installing a preview operating system on your primary computer .... don't .... just don't ....

henry_crun 23rd Feb 2015 21:31

What on earth are they talking about, Mabel? Are they still using hard drives and pre-android software? Why, for Heaven's sake?

Booglebox 25th Feb 2015 06:56


Originally Posted by MD
Looks to me like a strategy to avoid another end of XP support disaster by forcing updates whether users want them or not - which will doubtless include silly interface ideas each time. If it is free (including updates) how are they going to make money? My guess is through targeted advertising direct to the desktop, using data gathered by this "Cortona" "assistant" rubbish. I hope you will be able to turn such rubbish off (along with one drive, etc, etc)

Partly true, but you can switch from the consumer-default rapid release branch to a longer-term-supported branch, with intervals of about 2 years. You can skip one of those releases and still be supported (I think the LTS releases will be supported for 5 years).
As for advertising and Cortana... let's hope that common sense prevails.


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