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frostbite 12th Oct 2009 14:35

Windows 7 not so desirable?
 
Some interesting comments at

Ten reasons Windows 7 could flop - at ZDNet.co.uk

Michael Birbeck 12th Oct 2009 14:53

Microsoft will ensure that Windows 7 gets traction through the normal method of ensuring that subtle incompatibilities at the network level incline the corporates to roll it out on user's desktops sooner rather than later.

It will soon be the de facto build supplied with all new PCs etc.

I have reviewed it on a laptop and the performance improvement is marked. It seems that MS have got this one right!

Time will tell I guess!

green granite 12th Oct 2009 15:21

That is the biggest bit of pointless Microsoft bashing I've seen for a long while.

Bruce Wayne 12th Oct 2009 16:33

hardly...

i'm not going to be looking at windows 7 till at least the first SP has been released and stick with the O/S I have in use now, which are..

Server 2003
XP Pro on 1 laptops and 2 desktops
Vista Ultimate on 1 Laptop (and it sucks - bench test before network upgrade)

The vista machine is the most problematic with networking, to the point its practically a stand alone now.

10 Sep 2009 at 15:53

Microsoft has promised to patch a flaw in Windows Vista and 7 that could allow hackers to take complete control of the machine.

The company was alerted to the flaw after security researcher Laurent Gaffie produced exploit code which showed how Microsoft's SMB2 network file and print-sharing protocol could be hacked to allow attackers to hijack the machine.

The exploit was initially used to bring on the dreaded blue screen of death, however Microsoft later admitted that it could also be used to remotely execute malicious code on vulnerable machines

Gonzo 12th Oct 2009 23:28

Agree GG, smacks of link-bait bashing.

I've been using Windows 7 on my main machine ever since the Release Candidate was available and so far it's been flawless.

I also have it running on my (low powered) laptop that struggled to run Vista adequately.

I have two copies of 7 pre-ordered.

Mike-Bracknell 12th Oct 2009 23:57

Erm Bruce, there's a more serious flaw in Server 2003 IIS by the way ;-)

Also, Windows 7 is a VERY worthwhile upgrade to XP. I like it so much i've been using the beta since it was released. FWIW, I hated Vista.

Rollingthunder 13th Oct 2009 03:53

Don't talk to me about windows. For what's it's worth quotes hisnamessake (if he actually existed as well as that muslim fellah). Lost 11,000 plus pics and word and spreadsheet thingie, all my vids, (oh yeah, Excel). And $125.00.

Sprogget 13th Oct 2009 08:45

I've had every beta of 7 that I could lay hands on & now run two legitimate final release copies of ultimate & it's pretty much the best o/s I've used. I agree with GG, the piece is just another Ms hater venting spleen against the great Satan.:rolleyes:

Mornington Crescent 13th Oct 2009 08:52

I'm sure MB will put me right.

I have four machines networked. Two on Vista. I now have Vista on my main PC by choice. Apart from the confusion of files when view hidden files is selected I actually prefer Vista.

Well that should do it.

Windows 7 comes without a browser (I believe) so folks with a single computer are going to need help. It also comes without photo gallery or equivalent. After many hours of trying I could not get it to run my Epson printer in the duplex mode. It also looks a lot like Vista (for lovers of XP). In addition it would not recognise my old HP scanner.

No doubt I will go there in the end but it's not sliced bread - yet!

MC

green granite 13th Oct 2009 09:14


Windows 7 comes without a browser (I believe)
No, MS have decided to include browsers on the disc, you get a choice of the mainstream browsers.

Mornington Crescent 13th Oct 2009 09:17

Ah, I'm glad to hear that. MS were previously publishing instructions on how to download IE8 prior to the installation of Windows 8.

Michael Birbeck 13th Oct 2009 09:39


After many hours of trying I could not get it to run my Epson printer in the duplex mode. It also looks a lot like Vista (for lovers of XP).
MC I run an HP printer and obviously had to download an updated driver to get full functionality with Windows 7. Did you update the HP scanner driver from their website? If you are defaulting to the driver set that comes with Windows 7 your scanner may not work.

Have you updated your Epson driver/s? I note from reading some of the Windows 7 forums that a number of Epson printer issues have been noted.

What Epson printer are you using?

MB

Mornington Crescent 13th Oct 2009 10:10

Thanks for your interest. It's the C1100 with a duplex attachment. Although the driver on the disk works fine with Vista in would not allow me duplex on 7. I tried to find an updated driver from Epson without success. Windows 7 own driver would also not allow duplex.

In the end I had to use another computer as a printer server but that's a bit OTT. Replacing the scanner (which I did) was one thing but replacing the duplex colour laser was not on.

I took 7 off and am awaiting the outcome of the real article!

Michael Birbeck 13th Oct 2009 11:13


In the end I had to use another computer as a printer server but that's a bit OTT.
This is completely unacceptable and is the cause of much irritation to HP scanner users (see many entries on forums).

On the Epson C1100 front I have asked the question directly of our local (company) Epson support. I will revert with an answer, hopefully! :)

Mornington Crescent 13th Oct 2009 11:40

Thanks MB

Very good of you. I would give W7 another chance if this problem could be resolved.

green granite 13th Oct 2009 16:12

You may find that a driver will magically become available on the 21st, ie the day before it's officially released.

jimtherev 13th Oct 2009 17:17


Originally Posted by Michael Birbeck (Post 5249851)
This is completely unacceptable and is the cause of much irritation to HP scanner users (see many entries on forums).

Thread drift, I know, Michael, but aren't HP round the corner from you? Do you happen to know any of their Sales staff who can explain why they produce such cr@p software? Pity - I swear by my HP printer - except when the software fails me again.

Mike-Bracknell 13th Oct 2009 19:22


Thread drift, I know, Michael, but aren't HP round the corner from you? Do you happen to know any of their Sales staff who can explain why they produce such cr@p software? Pity - I swear by my HP printer - except when the software fails me again.
It's a long-held trueism that HP's hardware is amongst the best in class....but unfortunately their accompanying software is amongst the *worst*. This is irrespective of product.

Mike-Bracknell 13th Oct 2009 19:27


It also comes without photo gallery or equivalent.
Specifically what are you looking for in a "photo gallery"? As I just use the file explorer with thumbnailing, and Windows Photo Viewer (which comes as standard with Windows 7) to view the full file.

Gertrude the Wombat 13th Oct 2009 20:41


It's a long-held trueism that HP's hardware is amongst the best in class....but unfortunately their accompanying software is amongst the *worst*. This is irrespective of product.
Absolutely.

And they waste so much of their effort - I don't want them to spend their development time on 3D photo-realistic hourglasses, there's a perfectly good hourglass built into the operating system for free, they should be spending their time on making their drivers work properly.

None of which would matter ... except that their hardware is the best, so you have to keep buying it and putting up with their crap software.


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